Dean
in memoriam
Ah ha!!To answer your question Dean before you create your pm yes you will gain more friends by purchasing a maccy.
Apple products and pricing
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fos
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I used to feel the same way. One of my son's had an iPhone and all I cared about was making and receiving phone calls. After a long while, I purchased an iPhone. It is one of the most useful tools I have ever owned. It keeps track of appointments, phone calls, email, and friends. In addition to that, it is an entertainment center. I am no longer at the mercy of some 40 song radio station, no matter the genre that I enjoy, country, classic rock, blue grass, classic, whatever. I have close to 1000 songs on my iPhone that I can listen to in the shuffle mode or any other selection mode I choose.
Also, as an educator, there are MANY education related apps that I can use for myself and my students. This doesn't even consider an iPad.
I have a very serious desktops and laptops, both Win X and OS X. If I had to choose one tool, it would be the iPhone. I use it that much.
Did I mention that I am a long time fan of HP RPN calcs? I have several favorite HP calculator simulators on my iPhone. Just about any ap you can think of is available on the iPhone.....
Just my 2 cents, Jeff
grant sarver
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Build your own? That'll win the mass market. My mother and my grandson (2-1/2) love the Iphone because they can make it do what they want. But I'll give them your suggestion.
You know the only reason Apples market share is as high as it is is because of the iphone being such a great success and having next to no competition untill recent smartphones and android have finally caught up. It would not surprise me if in the next few years that we expect the apple dominance to decrease once the masses realise how good the other options are.
sales up 125% is a worthless figure. I can say my company sales are up 1600% in the last quarter if I look at it in the same way. A more accurate representation would be how much market share have they gained.
Likewise, "kicking the crap out of pc's", With an estimated 410 million PC's to be sold this year, and apples figures showing aproximately 4million per quarter.. that leaves them with a 4% market share. Not quite so impressive anymore is it?
Forsaken
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Apple only actually owns the MP3 player market, Android holds dominance in smartphones, and Windows is still king for desktop/laptop/netbook.
I've never once said that Apple has a shoddy OS, only that they over price their hardware that has nothing over the same hardware used in a PC.
What? why are you quoting me?
Forsaken
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To lazy to quote Anthony
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grant sarver
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I read recently that while Apple only has a little over 6% share of the personal computer market, in the over $1000 market they have an 80% share. Everyone else is fighting over the scraps (low or no margin). Why would Apple want that part? Even H-P through in the towel. Dose anyone still make net-books?
People are fond of comparing Apple to all other computer maker combined!
grant sarver
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Forsaken
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Those are built systems. Most people I know who have systems over $1000 will build their own.
ASUS, Acer, Dell, and many others (The Air is considered a Netbook, just not called as such) still make netbooks.
RastaLulz
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Personally, I have a MacBook Pro simply because of the build quality, design, display, long lasting battery, security, support, reliability, etc. You really can't compare a MacBook Pro to any Windows-based laptop on the market when it comes to that stuff. Sure, you have to pay extra for that, but you have to ask yourself, are those benefits worth it? For me, the answer was yes. I've had multiple Dell and HP computers before hand, and they do not compare to the MacBook Pro in my opinion. But that should be expected, they were cheaper products, which makes up the PC market for the most part.
I also have an iPhone (3GS), which I got because it was one of the first phones (and still is) to have a complete, and all around browser. Sure, not having Flash is a downside, and I do not agree with Apple's decision there. Another reason I like the iPhone (along with my MBP) is due to its design, which Android doesn't even come close, in my opinion (at least from what I've seen) - the icons, some of the UI, etc still resemble the way they did on older phones. On top of that, I love the iPod feature, and I can't really ask for more. Along with all that, iOS 5 will be bringing a lot to the table, some of which Android has had for awhile, but nonetheless, it will have all of that, and more.
I also have an iPhone (3GS), which I got because it was one of the first phones (and still is) to have a complete, and all around browser. Sure, not having Flash is a downside, and I do not agree with Apple's decision there. Another reason I like the iPhone (along with my MBP) is due to its design, which Android doesn't even come close, in my opinion (at least from what I've seen) - the icons, some of the UI, etc still resemble the way they did on older phones. On top of that, I love the iPod feature, and I can't really ask for more. Along with all that, iOS 5 will be bringing a lot to the table, some of which Android has had for awhile, but nonetheless, it will have all of that, and more.
Fred Sherman
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I don't think so. You're comparing the iPhone to other phones and that misses the point entirely. I have an iPhone, an iPad, an iMac, macTV and an Airbook. They are all the same portal into my electric data space. Documents on my computer are on my laptop, my tablet and my phone, simultaneous. With iOS5 and iTunes Match (both beta), my music and videos are on my computer, laptop, iPad, iPhone and television.
its the same interface, the same basic OS. Not like Windows 7 and Windows Mobile 6 have the same name but aren't. Its the same. Its the convergence of standard data access and accessibility that will separate Apple from the others in the phone marketspace.
Remember this phase "cloud convergence" - thats where Apple is heading.
Anthony Parsons
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Feel free mate...No kidding
May I send you a PM? I've got some questions that I've been trying to get answered regarding macs.
Anthony Parsons
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Actually, they haven't caught up at all... you are in serious delusions if you think they have. Others are chasing Apple, not Apple chasing others. You don't gain and hold dominance by chasing the other players after the fact.
With your thinking, everything that is marketing, is just plain wrong... because you think the chaser will overtake the inventor. Wrong.
Microsofts latest smartphone OS... total garbage. Google Android... not bad, but again, Google are chasing... they all lost that market share the moment Apple beat them to the punch. Yahoo and Microsoft thought they could catch Google in the search market. Have they? Not even close... Google gained dominance by building and implementing innovation, the others try to catch, but as their busy playing catchup, Google are already working on the next leap again, thus maintaining dominance. People don't switch easily once they're used to a product. Sh*t, it took me until 2011 to switch from an OS and system I complained about and wanted to constantly throw out the window, because at the end of the day, I was familiar with it, being Windows + PC.
I wouldn't expect human behaviour to change that rapidly... Apple's dominance is growing, though I will agree, its not going to wipe out the PC market in one or two years... but I think the PC market is in for a real shakeup from Apple, as it gains a bigger chunk of the market share. One or two percent share in a trillion dollar market per annum... that's a big loss to one, a big gain to another, per annum.
Apple's increase in the computer market has increased 1 - 2% in the last fiscal year, taking a big slice away from the PC market. Keep that going each year, with expected growth due to iPhone and iPads success... if that blows upwards to 2 - 4% per annum, the PC market will become much more worried with every year.
Blackberry said the same thing when they have dominance in the mobile market... and they just lost touch with what users wanted, and instead kept giving them what they're used to... and iPhone in two years has gone from around 20% to 60% mobile market dominance. As a result of that... yes, users are also now looking far more closely at changing to an Apple computer, because their iPhone / iPad, just works seemlessly for them... as stated above by many.
What real questions?
I once thought the same, Windows, Windows, Windows... PC, PC, PC... I thought Apples where just hard work, confusing and different, outside the scope of what was supported. That used to be the case... and probably why when I had looked at macs previously over the years, I just didn't like them.
Well... go take a look at them now, give them a real good playing with, then see if you think the same. It changed my ignorant mind... Not sure why some get all Mac or PC oriented... I still have Windows the OS...
What do you have? A bulky computer box or media size box sitting around? Then monitors? Then speakers, cables connecting it all, the list goes on! I have a single system with a power cord. That's it...
If I want to use another mac, I sit it beside my other one, and it becomes a dual screen instantly, no cables required. If I need pages read to me, its built in. If I need to save to PDF, its built in. If I need to quickly organise a large library of photos using facial recognition, its built in. If I need to take a screen capture any multitude of ways, window, part thereof, etc etc... its built in... no further cropping required.
Now... all you home experts on building computers... what took me with a multi-platform game, being Starcraft II, to run on my PC, needing a gig of gaming memory to run, and still stuttered at times, ran flawlessly on the mac, using only 256 3D. Are systems actually the same? No... there not. When combining an engineered, near flawless system quality, with the Apple OS, programs just work.
Even my wife using MYOB, Outlook, etc etc, lots of windows open with her business stuff... she was using Windows which kept crashing atleast daily. Put Windows onto mac system, ran a lot better for her. Shifted her over to Mac OS, her Outlook, MYOB, and all the other programs she has open at once, hasn't crashed once for her.
I could explain until the cows come home Shelley, but seriously, its useless, because it won't change anyone's ignorance or perception here... I used to read this stuff and laugh, also being ignorant. I was wrong... simple as that. I'm not a maccy or whatever you call them... I just simply accept that since changing from PC + Windows to Mac + OSX, I no longer want to throw my computer through the window on a daily basis, NOR, do I get crashes or any other nonsense.
Has it been a learning curve to change? Hell yes... and its the part I hate the most. I just bought a book yesterday, "The Mac Book" which I am learning so much from... just a normal magazine, but big pictures, clear information, easy to read, showing further indepth use on how to really get exceptional use from a Mac.
I would also say... we didn't stuff about with it and try to hack existing products that aren't compatible with Mac, because from everything said to me, you either do it properly or don't bother. Example, the printer died, so we got a Mac compatible one knowing we were changing to all Mac. We ditched normal wireless equipment, went with Mac wireless, as I quickly found there was a vast difference when using wireless to a normal router vs. mac router. The distance we get from the Mac we couldn't from the third party one, not even close, and doors open, closed, etc, no effect on the signal, unlike third party routers gave us issues with.
I still have a lot to learn about them... and I am constantly searching for how to do things... but as I relearn a new OS, Mac just has a lot more out of the box than Windows... and I seriously mean, a lot more. Go compare Mac with Windows features for yourself. The difference just for servicing astounded me... when I got my last PC's, two had issues in the first year, one gone for days, one gone for over a week. Mac... there and then on the spot, or they just swap it over for you. No screwing about... they can quickly clone your drive over to the replacement even while you go shop or browse for 30 minutes, providing your HDD hasn't shat itself. After sales service is just outstanding with Apple compared to PC.
Jeremy
in memoriam 1991-2020
You can send me one and I'll try my best.No kidding
May I send you a PM? I've got some questions that I've been trying to get answered regarding macs.
I have owned Macs all my life.I have had Macs my entire life, and love them. I love the OS, and the hardware has done our family well for a very long time. My gripes with PCs are the issues I personally have when I use them. I am anti-windows because I find the whole system awkward and un-userfriendly. I never claim (not in a joke) that Macs / Mac OS X are superior use because I'm an "Apple Fan Boy." I'm one, I admit it. But I'm not fan-boy enough to completely ignore reason and see where PCs are better than Macs.That is a standard typical apple fanatic's response. Either that or someone's maccy went on autopilot, became self aware and can now post glowing responses on forum software. Sorry anthony but if you had this many issues and i would say this to anyone chances are it's not computer/hardware error it'll be human error. That said, I personally don't believe you myself when you say you had all these problems, i think you've obviously been touched by the apple emblem, joined the apple brigade and that cloud of hatred has formed around you, I know in some countries there is another name for it. Stigmata.
Dean
in memoriam
I finally decided to watch the videos on the mac / apple site, which gave me enough information to speak 'mac' enough to communicate things to the apple store employees, so I am a bit farther along than I was. Perhaps I will start a thread where everyone can give inputYou can send me one and I'll try my best.
On thing is for sure there is a wide variety of talent levels at our local Apple store... some are ok, but I know far more about the products than some of the sales people there and I barely know anything about macs. (oh, no firewire is not available! (then I point to the port)
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Anthony Parsons
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Our store has specialists in each area... so you actually get the right person for the right product, which I thought was a nice touch. Guess every store is different. Nothing worse than enquiring about a product and the sales person has no idea... they should know when to refer to someone with more knowledge.
grant sarver
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Tomorrow I'm going to buy my grandson an Ipad. He's already got his dad's Iphone figured out. I made his mom and dad swear to not "show" him anything except the on/off switch! Just let him discover everything on his own. You can do that with an Apple device!
How come I can't find anything cheaper than the "overpriced" Ipad?
How come I can't find anything cheaper than the "overpriced" Ipad?
Forsaken
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The price argument is for desktops and laptop.