I was (way too) deeply invested in 2.3 and just looked at my posts and see that all the way back in December I finally threw the towel in and said I was done. I went from checking the forums every single morning for any tidbit of information, crumbs dropped from the table for us mere dogs. Now I haven't thought about it once, not once, in eight months. It feels great to have moved on.
Any sort of roadmap for Xenforo 2.3 ?
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MySiteGuy
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From what I've seen, they messed up badly with communication, and like so many projects they grossly misjudged the amount of time it would take. But I don't see misleading as that implies they intentionally lied.
mjda
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Yet here you are...
I agree with this. Mistakes were made, for sure. But, they admitted they screwed up and have let us know they're still working hard to give us another quality release as quickly as possible. I never felt misled...just mostly concerned.
Wing
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One could potentially make the argument that its "misleading" to say we are "weeks" away from a release - as some buy into that notion, expecting Xenforo to deliver a deliverable. But yes, I understand what you are saying.
Let’s all keep in mind it wasn’t just Kier who misled the community with the “few weeks” statement but also Chris mentioning 2.3 would be released in 2022 along with many other promises.
There have been multiple public statements with misleading information. Let’s stop blowing smoke… it’s not like they made the mistake once this has happened multiple times at which point it becomes misleading.
Your powers of perception are profound. Thank you.
MySiteGuy
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Project management, scheduling and estimating is a field I have experience in. I was part of a team writing such software for the 2nd largest software company in the world that they sold to other enterprises. When it's a difficult problem for big corporations to solve, it's an even more difficult problem for small teams, because we're dealing with humans and not robots.
Misjudging development schedules and doing it more than once is common. Software developers, including myself, are about the worst at time estimates - and managers aren't any better. I've seen situations where hard to track bugs can take a developer off active development for weeks. Or when the team goes down a development path, only to later find they have to scrap a lot of their work.
Making human mistakes is not the same as misleading. Knowingly leading people astray, that would be misleading.
I am not at all excusing the poor communication track record. They were too quiet, for too long.
Wing
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Sure, but look at the timelines at this point. The reality is, these claims of "weeks away" ect. was how long ago? Mis-delivering on dev schedules in project management for +3 months. Sure. 6+ months. Okay. But now over a year later... people have every right at this point to feel misled.
In other fields, if PR made "week away" statements like this without delivering, the employee would be fired due to potential buy ins on said statement. And causing lack of trust in the clients. When a company claims we are a week away on any sort of digital order that has payment system already setup to take transactions for said promise, that is when people begin expecting the word to be truth instead of lies.
Jake B.
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There is a massive difference in saying "we'll be posting something in the coming weeks", which at least implies there is currently something to show, to over a year later with absolutely nothing to show. That is absolutely misleading, and not just a matter of misjudging a schedule. There is nothing stopping them from showing at least some progress. As it currently stands there is effectively no reason for any current customers to keep their license active unless they need ticket support. In the last 12 months there have been two relatively minor patch updates (One in December, one in May), and one security fix update (for which you can download the patch without renewing your license). Showing absolutely nothing for over a year is a really good way for your entire customer base to completely lose faith in a project, and stop renewing their licenses, especially when that license doesn't auto renew and you can't rely on people just forgetting about it.
Wing
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I am one of "those" who purchased a license last year, and went through an entire cycle with little to no updates. That is not the impression I originally had when purchasing this license - as Xenforo advertises the purchase brings you much more to the support and update cycle of the software. Heck, I tried submitting 1 support ticket which Xenforo staff were not even able to answer due to it being a CSS element ID question of their own defualt style. Luckily someone here on the forums was easily able to answer it.
Again, people very much so can feel let down and misled at this point about their experience and purchase.
MySiteGuy
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Yeah, I get your points. I used to recommend one of the larger add-on/theme companies here to many clients over the years, only to see these clients stuck with abandonware.
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Yeah probably should have continued to support a platform that doesn't support us. We gave over 12 years here. What else do you want. We gave away free themes, free add-ons, gave away some of our better ones to developers here to support. You can't make people who are insufferable happy. How dare developers find other things to do or change what they offer after a decade. We should all continue to stay active, like... (wait...who is left?)...
Mr Lucky
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But you do get support for the software but not necessarily for you own customisation, and that makes sense I think
I wasn’t aware they advertise anything about updates fo they?
Ad for me I prefer not to have updates unless they are bug fixes.
Wing
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Was simply a question about what CSS element ID is for their own default style. You can read more here, yes there could be 2 sides to it... but come on. Stuff like this is pretty disappointing when it comes to paid licensing support. https://xenforo.com/community/threa...id-their-own-css-elements.216066/post-1642475
This entire year of my purchase cycle... all that I really have to show for it was a 2.3 roadmap wish thread of paying customers twiddling their thumbs. Sadly... my purchase expired yesterday. Guess Xenforo got me.
Suzanne O
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I have a month before mine runs out.
I'm renewing it as i do each year.
I'm not sooking about it nor venting about the staff here.
Personally i don't expect version 2.3 to come out until they're ready hence why i'm shocked at the pile on here.
Mendalla
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In the year since your purchase, they released 2.2.11, 2.2.12, 2.2.13, all covered under maintenance. Maintenance is not just about the big releases, it's also about ongoing maintenance. At work, where I am the manager of IT, we went through a period in the early noughties when Microsoft Dynamics GP, our accounting and ERP system, was lucky to get a major update every 3 or so years and we were paying a whole hell of a lot of money for annual maintenance. But that got us bug fixes, tax updates, a certain amount of support including access to a knowledge base, and other maintenance items. Such is the life in purchase + maintenance software buying. If you want constant, ongoing feature updates, subscriptions give you that whether you want it or not. I'm not sold on SaaS myself, but I am kind of stuck with it.
Suzanne O
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This whole discussion started off as a complete joke.
Now those of us who are taking it a bit seriously just need to settle down a bit and let these guys do their bits.
Personally i wouldn't be surprised if they play some sort of a joke on us all like they did with the spring style.
But in saying that these guys also like to joke about.
Which they can. Unfortunately we're going to get plenty of people who'll whinge about something.
They've already been exploded at by a few people.
I couldn't care less if they bring it out in the next three years.
It's all talk at the moment. With minor updates being had.
Vbulletin have major updates every 75 minor updates. A major update happens when they are at the next one.
Maybe xenforo could take that approach.
Now those of us who are taking it a bit seriously just need to settle down a bit and let these guys do their bits.
Personally i wouldn't be surprised if they play some sort of a joke on us all like they did with the spring style.
But in saying that these guys also like to joke about.
Which they can. Unfortunately we're going to get plenty of people who'll whinge about something.
They've already been exploded at by a few people.
I couldn't care less if they bring it out in the next three years.
It's all talk at the moment. With minor updates being had.
Vbulletin have major updates every 75 minor updates. A major update happens when they are at the next one.
Maybe xenforo could take that approach.
Wing
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Difference is, when I bought the license back in Aug 2022, I was under the impression a new version with features was bound to be released during that license cycle. As we can see now from this thread and the other 2.3 thread, people have been waiting for years of anticipation. Especially from the original comments made by Staff. Heck the official Xenforo
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