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[Sadik B]

Return of the Jedi!

 

[mikoo]

Maybe they just needed a break?

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[ArnyVee]

Okay, so getting back to the topic that the OP posted about.

I am definitely looking forward to more positive posts and although my version of xF is working wonderfully, I would welcome the latest version (and the RM if that's ready too )

 

[jadmperry]

Good things to come, that's what I think!

 

[jadmperry]

I agree with purchasing based on what it does NOW, I have said so many times. But that doesn't alter the fact that future development - or lack of - is a major concern when purchasing software. As has been outlined by several site owners now. It is a genuine IT concern. Who will develop the feature set? Who will fix security issues? Who will fix bugs? For commercial ventures this sort of thing is VERY important, no matter how many people who don't understand software development insist it isn't.

My response to this is that vB (as my only previous forum software) went silent for years (well, to be "fair" they said a lot of things, then did not deliver, then went silent, then backtracked on everything they did say before). So, in comparison to the other options out there, I would say that XF has answered all of these concerns:

Who will develop the feature set?: Kier and Mike. (as stated in the "Onwards" post...sure it has been weeks since that point...I bought a vB product and have literally gone years without a better answer).
Who will fix security issues?: Kier and Mike. (I have not seen any security issues with this software, so have a limited experience with how this might play out...for me, though, no issues is a good answer; my most recent experience with vB, though, to be honest, I highly suspect it was a vBSEO issue, was horrific).
Who will fix bugs?: Kier and Mike. (Mike knocked out like 5 billion- ok, that might be hyperbole- issues earlier today).

If you are happy with another product, stick with them. My forum has done much better over the last few months that I switched to XF. If you are happier with another product, stick with it (and I have seen you, Mark B., have done some great mods and seem to be happy with vB....hats off to you).

But, back to the general point, I am much happier with the responses and development with XF than I was over the last two plus years with vB.

 

[MrC]

It looks like 1.(1.3) will be out soon! May be RM as well...

 

[iTuN3r]

Well I am "happy" with XenForo as it is...insofar as it stands. I think it's a fantastic product and indeed I styled parts of my site to be inspired by many of the design elements.

My hope was to switch to it. I knew I couldn't straight away, but firmly believed the ongoing development would get me to that point within a few years at most. Then suddenly - silence and loss of confidence. To the extent that I had to abandon plans to switch.

Nothing to do with lawsuits, which never bothered me, more to do with complete cessation of communication for no apparent reason. That gives me zero confidence. Even if it all starts again now (and Mike is posting again), that doesn't mitigate the sudden, jarring change.

Well there is option :

Sell the license and move on ! Unless you can't stay away thinking about xenforo Just wondering what is holding you so bad to stick around here and present what you think about future of xenforo and their devs LoL .

 

[iTuN3r]

^ Btw don't add that "Fanboi" thing after my username ! It's just something i wanted to ask you been reading up your posts here for a while .

 

[iTuN3r]

So being critical of one area of the company means I should shut up and go away? Strange.

When have I ever "added that Fanboi thing" after anyone's username?

Depends how far you been with "critical" thing i guess . Don't you think so ? I mean only few days back you guys were so in rush to prove whole internet world that Mike has "left" xenforo and now it's like nothing has happened. Communication is terrible here and you pay for the software doesn't mean you can force your negative views . I mean the software is really helping rest others to grow their board and member activites .

There is certain level to be tagged as "critic" just depends how you see it i guess .

 

[iTuN3r]

Like i said "depends" how far you want to act like critic . Everyone has right to be realistic but when you cross that line with your own theories trying to prove others wrong .....what's the point trying to make people understand your point.

Everyone has right to move on if they don't find this software good enough for them they have options and it's their right to worry about future of their forums . Heck i would be forced to do same as well but i would give it a time and see through before jumping to conclusion .

Anyways have fun ! good luck with "critics" lol .

 

[jadmperry]

I won't bite (except, insofar as this post is considered doing so), on fanning the flames. But, I will say that I was a longtime member of vB's site and did watch Mark B.'s posts with interest as he went through iterations of loving and hating vB (my terms, not his). And, I also watched with interest his updating and modifying of his forum (with some great mods). All of this is a preface to saying that this is not a "flame" or "troll" (at least as far as I intend) on Mark.

My sense, though, is that though KAM have not been near as vocal or present as in the early days, I still think they have been far more responsive over delivering on what they promised , and Mike's ninja-like or Jedi-like clearing of bugs in the last day, has been much better than what I feel like I ever got from vB over the last few years. Others may disagree, but I see (and I do check in on vB.com to see development/updates) much more here than I do there.

People are free to like, love, hate, and especially to choose what forum software meets their needs. I think I disagree with Mark on his choice, but in the scheme of things and especially with my choice to pick XF, none of this matters. We all pick what works best for us.

I pick XF!!!

 

[Sadik B]

All said and done, the only thing which will damage the credibility of XF is if they fail to release future slick releases as they have been in the past. Given Mike's actions the past couple of days, I think a release is shortly coming. Sure, the devs ARE indeed at fault for not having stopped speculations with clear announcements or posts, but I am sure there is a good reason for that. Over time, people will not remember how much KAM posted or not. They will remember if updates were not released or quality became poor.

All in all, some folks here have too much free time... (that includes me as well!)

 

[Adam Howard]

XenForo has the most positive and effective release schedule we could ever hope for. That release schedule is clearly marked and stated. For those who missed it, the official release date is..... When it's ready.

So it is never late and it is never rushed.

 

[iTuN3r]

Good. I support such a release schedule.

Now, perhaps you could explain why the developers went silent for many months and ignored vociferous customer calls for them to explain the sudden and unannounced change in communication strategy.

lol why are you after something that is not going to happen ! I mean give it up already . if that was to change it would can't you see ? Everyone were crying about updates Kier showed up posted his little announcement and back to dark corner again . Mike is showing up fixing bugs .

Which does gives a sign they are still working behind the scene to bring out next update . Going around and repeating same thing again and again beating the chest won't prove anything will it ?

 

[Sadik B]

Customers don't care whether there is a good reason. In business you keep your customers up to date, and you answer their concerns, or ultimately you will fail. This isn't a charity.

Whilst you personally may be ok with it all, the fact remains that it damages credibility, and that's the issue XF face right now.

Actually you are wrong. Most board operators care that the software they are using is under development. They like to check in from time to time, which may be a few weeks or a few months to see what's new and what's happening. Most don't have time to participate in the community here. So from the customers point of view, they come here, see that there were rumors and speculations and worry and then notice the posts and announcements by Ashley and Kier coupled with status of Bug fixes and relax to abide their time and come back again later.

Yes, now if a new release does not arrive by end of June as stated earlier AND there is no explanation or announcement for the delay, THAT will damage credibility. But I do not see that happening.

 

[iTuN3r]

^ Still i am not able to get answer for my question . You are still doing samething going for something which won't happen .

 

[iTuN3r]

I'm not sure what the question is.
The only one I can see is " if that was to change it would can't you see ?" which doesn't really make much sense.

Ye right you seems to act like "You are only one customer for the company" . Stop crying ! Everyone wants update /hear whats going on ,roadmaps . Several questions were asked from start of company but they were never answered . They were planning to release another update by end of Q2 . Doesn't matter what they are doing behind the curtain i don't want to know whats going on with their personal life where they have been . I would be pissed if they don't deliver the product at that time .

 

[Sadik B]

Nowhere did they state "there will be a release by the end of June".

I seem to recall "we aim to release in Q2" which is not remotely the same thing.

I predict a meltdown on here if it's not out by June 30th, even though that in itself doesn't matter one jot. And if that scenario occurs you will see me here sticking up for and defending the developers to the hilt.

I like your passion Mark...

Yes they did not say so specifically, but it was implied. Also I actually don't see this scenario happening given Mike's recent focus on Bug Squashing.

 

[iTuN3r]

Nowhere did they state "there will be a release by the end of June".

I seem to recall "we aim to release in Q2" which is not remotely the same thing.

I predict a meltdown on here if it's not out by June 30th, even though that in itself doesn't matter one jot. And if that scenario occurs you will see me here sticking up for and defending the developers to the hilt.

Oh yes most likely lot of people will be pissed /several threads will show up during that time . Many others are waiting for Resource Manager as well but i don't see it coming up anytime soon .

 

[Adam Howard]

There are ltos of good things I have said asbout XenForo.

Recently however the focus is on the silence from the developers.

Note that this is NOT the same as "demanding a release date". I *never* demand release dates, not here, not vBulletin, not anywhere.

You can be assured that if the vB team suddenly disappeared I'd call them out the same way. It's not as if I've never called vBulletin out on anything is it.

So that would be a no, to my question.

And Actually, since you mention it....

You have the habit and history of calling out every developer, everywhere, for any reason on vBulletin, XenForo, and IPB. Do you have any idea how pathetic you come as on all 3 developments using every excuse to pronouncer some kind of soap box.

Do you even use XenForo or is your only goal to complain about anything you believe is a flaw? If you're so disappointed about how every forum software company is managed or developed, why don't you make your own?!