addons cost too dang much!

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Lol! Yeah, I would gladly shell out money for them, if I had money haha. I'd spend like crazy around here for them too. I'd probably even be investing/donating/contributing towards future resources and projects as well. I'm like a female in shopping mall with money on credit cards... I'm typically a "shop till I drop" type of guy (online). That's IF/WHEN I have money though lol. But crappy economy, no local area jobs are hiring me, and no memberships on my forums.. it's hard sigh.
 
I don't get it. VB is WAY more expensive than XF and you're locked into a VERY expensive licence system after the first buy. XF is a $40 renewal, dirt cheap.
If you don't keep your licence going on VB you can't access all the mods, as well as support. Also ,loads of the VB mods are dead and abandoned. Here the only thing you lose if you don't pay renewal is ticket support but community support is good and you can still get addons which are almost all live.
All the really essential addons are free (see my tutorial list).
It's also quite possible to make a great design without paying premium for a skin. The basics are thre in Style Props and extra help from community for CSS.
So it's possible to get an active board going or transfer one, then add the more costly items later when income permits.

Finally the great majority of those who transfer to XF report increased member activity, increased signup due to better SEO, and members making positive comments. But if that isn't you then your board is a special case with special needs - no good just saying you're in the minority and writing you off. XF success should be for at least 99% if not all.

I'd suggest you write new thread with a factual statement asking for advice from other admins on how to stimulate your board. No feelings, no complaints, just what the board used to have, and what it has now. Two lists.
There';s always something you can do.
 
Finally the great majority of those who transfer to XF report increased member activity, increased signup due to better SEO, and members making positive comments. But if that isn't you then your board is a special case with special needs - no good just saying you're in the minority and writing you off. XF success should be for at least 99% if not all.

I'd suggest you write new thread with a factual statement asking for advice from other admins on how to stimulate your board. No feelings, no complaints, just what the board used to have, and what it has now. Two lists.
There';s always something you can do.

Yeah, my forum has been getting some good ranks in google and members joining since switching over. Wait, member just posted " This Site No Longer Appers On Google Search". Also, my site IS special needs as well. I had tried discussing or asking for "help" or "suggestions" about the activity and such before, but it instantly turned into bad thing or discussion, due to nature of my content or niche in general. I had the thread deleted.

I just figured, I can't, or shouldn't even mention the content and niche anymore, because it might create a firestorm of drama or hate or what-not, and I wouldn't get "support" in general, because of the content and niche. Hence the stopping of bringing up threads about "how to" encourage activity and such. And it's impossible NOT to mention it, because it's vital information, that others would need or want, to know for sure how and what I could do to regain activity and etc. I'm between rock and hard place sigh lol. I'll just say it again though, so you understand what I'm saying above lol. My forum is image gallery basically, for female or male "pretty feet". Before, the content was 13 yr old feet and older. Not nudity, no child porn, just feet stuff.

It was booming, it was great before having to remove it all. Because CCBILL wouldn't accept the site to take payments for us, along with other payment processors (mainly because of pre-adult feet stuff or porn). PayPal reviewed my site, but permanently limited all my accounts I had for years since being online in 2000... because they reviewed and found "foot job/foot related pron". And I needed PayPal, to take payments from whoever for when I sell my web designs at places like Talkfreelance.com, forums.digitalpoint.com and such. And PayPal is the only Payment API option in XF. Where as with vB, it had moneybookers, paypal, and many other options. But anyway, since dropping that "pre-adult" feet stuff, members took off to other forums with that content, payments have been zero for memberships since going strictly 18 and older... And not having the "vital" resources I once had before that encouraged activity, didn't help. I'm not sure what to do anymore. No local jobs are hiring me, economy is crap, no money coming into site like before, so no money to pay hosting bills, domain name renewals and etc. The upcoming August and September months if no money for hosts / domain renewals.. the site goes down. :( More money lost, wasted.

Anyway, sorry for going off-topic Original Poster... I should have started another thread, but I know it would only be locked/ deleted and gone off topic again anyway sigh. But I'm in niche, that's competing against many many many other sites/forums of same nature that have been established for YEARS... The thing that set me apart from those other sites, WAS the younger feet material. However, it's bad and wrong in most eyes, to have said material too. So it's damn if do, damn if don't. Because most anyone can or could get adult/18 and older feet material freely online any where else anyway lol. I'm starting to think, switching foot forum to phpBB driven, and try hosting it free.. and use XF and Burning Board 3 for other forum projects Lol!
 
vVv it sounds to me like it's more the change in content to over 18s images, and loss of Paypal. Loss of key content, and loss of the e\saiest way to pay, would devastate your income.
I'd take a guess that many of those who left were either very nervous of being linked to the possibility of porn; or conversely there were some who did have a porn interest. Feet can be sexy after all.

Can't see if Burning Board as a forum might help - it would have to be free or cheaper than XF AND have the features you need.
Hosting I'm not sure but there are lots of posts on here about it - try "hosting" as a search (unticking the "this forum" box in search) and work your way through making a list. Whether you stay XF or go BB the suggestions are so many there's very likely one very cheap could fit.
 
vVv it sounds to me like it's more the change in content to over 18s images, and loss of Paypal. Loss of key content, and loss of the e\saiest way to pay, would devastate your income.
I'd take a guess that many of those who left were either very nervous of being linked to the possibility of porn; or conversely there were some who did have a porn interest. Feet can be sexy after all.

Can't see if Burning Board as a forum might help - it would have to be free or cheaper than XF AND have the features you need.
Hosting I'm not sure but there are lots of posts on here about it - try "hosting" as a search (unticking the "this forum" box in search) and work your way through making a list. Whether you stay XF or go BB the suggestions are so many there's very likely one very cheap could fit.

Yeah, ironically one of my members just stated of WHY the site died too..

Yeah dropping the 13-17 year olds bascly killed this site I really liked it a lot better with that content on here.
I really miss it like big time. I'm not a pedophile I just like "low mileage toes" lol

Which is mainly WHY they liked the "younger feet", because they're softer, prettier, less mileage on them haha. Older adult feet, tend to have corns, ingrown toenails, crackling skin, and etc. yuck! Plus, the adult feet, is easier to find any where online, on many many many other adult fetish sites that been online for YEARS. In my niche, that's impossible to compete with elder fetish niche sites that been online for long long time. I'm new guy on the street, and the "younger" stuff set me apart.

However, I can't take memberships/payments... with that material on the site, because it "illegal" i guess, not sure.. Most payment processors rejected me / helping me with payment processing, because of that content.. so I had to remove it all. Now, I'm not making any money anyway, and in August/Sept.. if no money to cover hosting/domain fees.. Bye bye site. The only thing I can see, if members act as "private investors", send me checks/money orders.. I cash those at bank, transfer to Virtual Credit Cards.. to pay the bills.

Well, regarding Burning Board... I just have a version 3 license, as "back up" plan if the XF lawsuit stuff was a fail or whatever. But also just to be "ready" in general, for "what ifs" and etc. I'd rather keep XF for the foot forum, because it's more "social" friendly and up to date for members and what they're used too and "like", like the alerts, easier upload of attachments and such. But, I just don't like seeing a good premium forum software like XF or BB going to waste on "dead forum" either, like mine is currently. I'd rather put those softwares to use on decent/stable projects with a positive future. lol. Like, I don't want to see the 140.00 license of awesome XF, being used for "dead turd community" like mine currently, cause it's like 140.00 awesome XF going to waste.. Lol! I'd much rather start new community, new niche, with positive future and won't die off, and on new domain name, new project .. etc. I guess I have to do alot of thinking.. ugh. Time for more coffee lmao.
 
Understand you want to use your XF well. :)

Hmm just a thought but barefooters don't have corns and calluses - and they do have healthy pretty toes! See Kier for example!
Have you thought of adding respectable literature - do research on quotes or poems from Shakespeare or other classic writers. Add stuff on interesting research about feet - foot care - protecting children's feet (the barefooter movement has a lot to say on how appalling shoes are for children) - barefooter sports - odd footwear from different cultures or periods of history .... try to dilute the site profile of naked feet pics. Users who want them can still find them but you could attract other kinds of users as well as make your site "more respectable."

Money orders, and cheques are a pain. They go lost and you have very little protection and takes weeks to sort out. Also few online people like using them.
Did you try the google pay system?
I know there are lots more as well - are you sure you checked them all out?
 
Understand you want to use your XF well. :)

Yeppers. :) ;)

Hmm just a thought but barefooters don't have corns and calluses - and they do have healthy pretty toes! See Kier for example!

Yeah no doubt they do, and he does too! I seen some of his pictures lol. I was surprised lol. But yeah, I was speaking "3rd party" above there, speaking for my members cause that's what they usually say about adult feet lol. :p

Have you thought of adding respectable literature - do research on quotes or poems from Shakespeare or other classic writers. Add stuff on interesting research about feet - foot care - protecting children's feet (the barefooter movement has a lot to say on how appalling shoes are for children) - barefooter sports - odd footwear from different cultures or periods of history .... try to dilute the site profile of naked feet pics. Users who want them can still find them but you could attract other kinds of users as well as make your site "more respectable."

Never really thought about this before, I guess because I didn't think my members would read nor care about "literature" in general haha. Most my member base and content, were originally from a buddies database copy of his forum - most were after young feet, 17 and younger. He threw me a copy of his phpBB database, I installed it on localhost/ and just went nuts removing anything under 13 yr old. Did my own forum titles, sections, imported to vBulletin 4.2.0 and ran with it.

So most of my member base is after "younger feet","getting off", saving/and leaving for the day. Lol! I keep thinking though, maybe I should have just started my own forum without his member base / material and had I done this all myself, from the ground up, it could have been portrayed better - respectable. Because it IS better to start a forum fresh, than it is to start it using a "base" or "foundation" from someone elses forum entirely. The audience or member base is mainly after certain specific content - "younger feet". Which is what I wasn't really happy with personally. Once I removed that, then the members left, and it's harder to get fresh members geared toward adult feet or admiration of feet in general, because those people are already established else where on many other adult fetish sites too. But yeah, I'll have to look into that then, because the whole idea for my site, was for it to be "clean" and "respectable". But it didn't pan out that way, because I took easy route, and just took his "member base" and "content" and ran with it as my own. Fail. Lol!

Money orders, and cheques are a pain. They go lost and you have very little protection and takes weeks to sort out. Also few online people like using them.
Did you try the google pay system?
I know there are lots more as well - are you sure you checked them all out?

True, they are a pain sigh. I don't think I went with Google Checkout, because if I remember right they require you have legit / normal credit card to attach to the account first, for verification purposes.. and I'm not allowed a credit card because of bad credit history lol. I'm currently with CCBILL, and Moneybookers wouldn't allow payments from site, however I could probably direct members to signup with moneybookers and upload funds to their accounts, and then send me funds to my moneybookers account but it might be too much work lol. Dang, this is really going off topic from OP .. Lol!
 
Certain add-ons might be high for what the are, but the majority are reasonably priced.

$40 for a impressive shoutbox, with a free lite version available?

$35 for a full featured Blog Add-on, with a lite version available? Knowing whats in the next update, $35 isn't even half of what its worth.

It's fully possible to just use free add-ons; paid ones are obviously better, but in most cases you don't necessarily need them. And if you do, then paying for them shouldn't be an issue.
 
And there are even free addons that should actually be paid ones based on what they can do. For example TMS is an incredible piece of awesomeness developed by a highly capable coder and it's free.
 
Vbulletin has been around longer. They've had longer to create a community full of developers who are willing to pop out free add-ons. Technically a small fraction of the resource manager on XF is composed of paid add-ons. If you want to remove the styles then it's even smaller?

I honestly think $30-$50 is a fair price for some of these add-ons. $5-$15 is ideal for smaller, less functional ones. You pay for what you get most of the time! If we don't pay/donate to our developers, then we will not get continued support.

$200 is pricey, but Jaxel explained why his add-on is that price. In time I'm sure someone will release a cheaper one. Jaxel also has numerous FREE add-ons and so you could think of this as his money maker add-on. Package everything he as created and price it as one lump sum. ALMOST EVERY XF forum I've seen is running Jaxel's portal. He deserves a big 2 for the work he has done.

The only thing I wish is that a lot more developers would offer a 'lite/free' version that is limited in features but allows us to enjoy their product and debate purchase/save up for purchase.

I think one add-on that should have been paid is the Arcade add-on. I'm sure it'd have got more attention if money was flowing in.
 
All my add-ons are under priced. Because XenForo is under priced. You guys honestly have no idea about the costs that goes into making these things. Most add-on authors here would make more money working at Maccers if you consider time vs sales.

I would have never gotten into this market to sell add-ons like I do if I knew how small it was going to be and how little it would grow due to the community and very poor PR handling.
 
I have seen you complain a lot about this subject btw.
I made one thread on my site about it, I guess that is "complaining a lot" as you say :rolleyes:

Ah, I see why your panties are in a bunch..
Looks like I made the right choice in not purchasing your mod or suggesting them to others. ;)

Poor customer support goes a long way in my books.
You spend 200 bucks on sh1tty bloated software like vB5
You ASSume to much, but thanks for your very insightful post, we've all learned so much from your reply here...LMAO

Both of you should try reading my post again, you might actually learn something this time. ;)
 
look, i fully support the author of an addon to charge money for their product, but i mean, damn, i look at the resources page now and 90% of all the good addons charge ridiculous prices.
You're not the first. I've mentioned it before but people simply don't want to listen. One more time: vbulletin.org has the best (proven) formula. No need for XenForo to reinvent the wheel here. Expensive add-ons are killing XF (if the lawsuit doesn't).

Keep the Resources section 100% free or at least require light and full versions. Keep the paid jobs in a paid jobs sub-forum. XF simply can't compete with other forum solutions if it's handicapped this way.

Oh and the add-on developers aren't greedy, it's the system itself that needs change.
 
You're not the first. I've mentioned it before but people simply don't want to listen. One more time: vbulletin.org has the best (proven) formula. No need for XenForo to reinvent the wheel here. Expensive add-ons are killing XF (if the lawsuit doesn't).

Keep the Resources section 100% free or at least require light and full versions. Keep the paid jobs in a paid jobs sub-forum. XF simply can't compete with other forum solutions if it's handicapped this way.

Oh and the developers aren't greedy, it's the system itself that sucks.

I'm sorry but how are expensive add-on's killing XF?

You don't buy XF knowing you're forced to buy add-on's...

On top of that the most expensive add-on here is Jaxels... but you have to admit it's meant for a specific purpose. We've spent money on well made add'ons ourselves and haven't regretted it once!

Some include:
Showcase
Post Ratings
Donation Manager
Gallery
Notifications

And guess what? They've all been worth every penny. I'm tired of seeing, this add-on costs to much or that style costs too much. The best rebuttle to all of these arguments as it's been stated before, if you're not happy with the price, do it yourself.
 
I made one thread on my site about it, I guess that is "complaining a lot" as you say :rolleyes:

Ah, I see why your panties are in a bunch..
Looks like I made the right choice in not purchasing your mod or suggesting them to others. ;)

Poor customer support goes a long way in my books.

Let us get things straight. I chose not to sell to you by ignoring your pm's after you arrogantly asked me and why does this cost 5 dollars. It is not you who chose not to buy it because you pm''ed me several times but you got no replies because I do not need rude and whinny customers nor do I need lectures on how much should I charge for my work. That is a big difference ;)
 
Let us get things straight. I chose not to sell to you by ignoring your pm's after you arrogantly asked me and why does this cost 5 dollars. It is not you who chose not to buy it because you pm''ed me several times but you got no replies because I do not need rude and whinny customers nor do I need lectures on how much should I charge for my work. That is a big difference ;)
LMAO... you can't even lie correctly, here is the short conversation for everyone to enjoy.

borbole-fail.webp

Nice try borbole, nice try :ROFLMAO:

lol.. you "chose not to sell to me"
Sure looks like you're eager to accept my payment.
Thankfully I found a better alternative, and I'm glad I did judging by the way you've acted here. ;)
 
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