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[Morgain]

Would need options here as a long article page would be awkward to add the thread afterwards - would get too long. But that also suggests that hving to scroll to top, and click a tab is undesirable. How do I know there is discussion as I finish reading? So needs a link to "Discuss this article" at the end of the page.
On multiple page articles this needs to be on every page.

Personally I don't like tabs. Well placed links, or buttons are much better. Tabs are like a navbar lite.
At the top we already have a double navbar, and breadcrumbs. Adding FOURTH row of tabs is too much.

Better once below breadcrumbs to go into separate links, column of links as in the despised category links list! or buttons. Buttons are great - yay! buttons.

 

[0ptima]

Would need options here as a long article page would be awkward to add the thread afterwards - would get too long. But that also suggests that hving to scroll to top, and click a tab is undesirable. How do I know there is discussion as I finish reading? So needs a link to "Discuss this article" at the end of the page.
On multiple page articles this needs to be on every page.

Personally I don't like tabs. Well placed links, or buttons are much better. Tabs are like a navbar lite.
At the top we already have a double navbar, and breadcrumbs. Adding FOURTH row of tabs is too much.

Better once below breadcrumbs to go into separate links, column of links as in the despised category links list! or buttons. Buttons are great - yay! buttons.

I would like to see an additional tab bar at the bottom of the article

 

[Deepmartini]

Would need options here as a long article page would be awkward to add the thread afterwards - would get too long. But that also suggests that hving to scroll to top, and click a tab is undesirable. How do I know there is discussion as I finish reading? So needs a link to "Discuss this article" at the end of the page.
On multiple page articles this needs to be on every page.

Personally I don't like tabs. Well placed links, or buttons are much better. Tabs are like a navbar lite.
At the top we already have a double navbar, and breadcrumbs. Adding FOURTH row of tabs is too much.

Better once below breadcrumbs to go into separate links, column of links as in the despised category links list! or buttons. Buttons are great - yay! buttons.

Well there is that hover button "back to top" addon in the resource area to quickly jump to top of post/page. Using tabs, makes the discussion get buried. If it were right underneath more people would participate and jump right into conversation. Having a link at bottom is a good start/option to have. Also, what if someone doesn't want to have "reviews" can that tab be removed? Why would someone right a review about an article instead of just posting it as a discussion and commenting on it. Reviews should be more like "ratings" where people can just give it a star rating and have the star rating at the top / bottom of the article (not in a tab). Anyway, that's how I think it would work best.

 

[Morgain]

You can comment out the Reviews tab in the template. I did this, see www.firstcollege.co.uk where I have commented out various other components too.
However commenting out / template edits need to be noted carefully in a fast developing addon like this one with weekly updates.

 

[erich37]

Well there is that hover button "back to top" addon in the resource area to quickly jump to top of post/page. Using tabs, makes the discussion get buried. If it were right underneath more people would participate and jump right into conversation. Having a link at bottom is a good start/option to have. Also, what if someone doesn't want to have "reviews" can that tab be removed? Why would someone right a review about an article instead of just posting it as a discussion and commenting on it. Reviews should be more like "ratings" where people can just give it a star rating and have the star rating at the top / bottom of the article (not in a tab). Anyway, that's how I think it would work best.

Agree.

I think that it is much more intuitive to have the "Forum-Thread" directly underneath the Article.
It is more intuitive to just scroll down at the Article-page and directly participate in a discussion-thread than to click onto a Tab.
Especially when the concept of the website itself is to have "endless scrolling" (at the Homepage), the user is used to scroll down anyway......


Also, have the "Ratings" integrated without a separate "Reviews Tab".
The "Reviews" could be written directly into a Thread-post, not into a separate "Reviews-Field".
So you literally just click the "Stars" (not required) and write your comment into the Thread, thereby fueling Forum-Discussions.

Similar to this XF-suggestion here:
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/subjective-seo-with-star-ratings-for-threads.49877/#post-596692

 

[Morgain]

Please make choice - scroll down to thread OR have (button) link to thread.
Scrolling is a love/hate thing.

In the category lists it's fine for scrolling phobics because I can select the Picks at the top to get them going.
Here we need a button - especially if the page is a bit lengthy as mine often are.

Whether that is admin setting to have scroll to thread, or link button,
OR author can select which to have according to type or length of article
I leave to our trusty @tenants

 

[Morgain]

@tenants EEK! How do I set permission per usergroup to see a category?
I can only see a setting for a usergroup to View all articles, or not. That is 100% or nothing.

[EDIT] Your SEO for search engines is excellent but a lot of my material I want to keep private to members.
Some is ONLY for grade 1 members, some is for all members, some is public.

 

[tenants]

@tenants EEK! How do I set permission per usergroup to see a category?
I can only see a setting for a usergroup to View all articles, or not. That is 100% or nothing.

[EDIT] Your SEO for search engines is excellent but a lot of my material I want to keep private to members.
Some is ONLY for grade 1 members, some is for all members, some is public.

Okay, so you want permissions per category (similar to forum nodes). I can add that to the To-Do list, I think most people will probably make use of this.

 

[Morgain]

Okay, so you want permissions per category (similar to forum nodes). I can add that to the To-Do list, I think most people will probably make use of this.

Oh lamentation I need this quickly because my school opens September and it all has to be ready by then. I have this bit of free time now to do it and I never imagined there was no usergroup permissions. Oh dear oh dear me.
I don't usually push about time but this is exceptional. I have no control over date here and of not ready by Sept it will have to wait a whole 6 months.
Can you squeeze this please? I can prep load it all on my admin View only, then do the usergroup permissions at the end of this month?

 

[tenants]

Sorry Morgain, I hope you understand that I can't prioritise based on 1 users needs, I still have things to do that other users want/need. I will add permissions for individual categories at some point, but each thing I add, I would rather do it well and test it, than rush it out of the door

I can't commit to category permissions being added in that time frame.

I would suggest, only buy this (or any) add-on/product, once it does what you need/expect

Permissions based on categories hasn't yet been added

 

[SignTorch]

I like the tabs like they are.... scrolling discussions, tabs at the bottom, and links to (the start or end of?) the discussion all sounds awkward to me.

If google search listings had infinite scrolling we'd all be on page one.

 

[0ptima]

Agree.

I think that it is much more intuitive to have the "Forum-Thread" directly underneath the Article.
It is more intuitive to just scroll down at the Article-page and directly participate in a discussion-thread than to click onto a Tab.
Especially when the concept of the website itself is to have "endless scrolling" (at the Homepage), the user is used to scroll down anyway......

If this were the case, then XF would have endless scrolling. Endless scrolling should not be added to the actual article as it makes it hard to revisit the article. If I read the first two page of the article and want to return to it later, I know where I left off. How can you do that with endless scrolling? You cant.

 

[Morgain]

Look, lots of users just HATE scrolling - major principle of web design.
On a touchpad for example it's no fun, not like a roller mouse.

As I said it's something you EITHER love OR you hate.

Best way to do it is keep it optional on the Article page anyway. So link top and bottom on a reasonably short page, if admin prefers it.

 

[Morgain]

OK I found how to change date of publication so as to import an article from another older system (you have to create the article then use thread tools on the frontend, it's not in the article create/ edit page)

Now I want to remove Ratings.
[EDIT] Found this - xenzine_rate_article
Commented out its contents.
Could someone help - preferably with EXTRA.css - I was only trying a template edit to locate the right stuff to work on.

 

[erich37]

If this were the case, then XF would have endless scrolling. Endless scrolling should not be added to the actual article as it makes it hard to revisit the article. If I read the first two page of the article and want to return to it later, I know where I left off. How can you do that with endless scrolling? You cant.

I did not say anything regarding putting "endless scrolling" onto the "Article-page".....
You might have misunderstood.... or my english is just bad

 

[erich37]

Look, lots of users just HATE scrolling - major principle of web design.
On a touchpad for example it's no fun, not like a roller mouse.

As I said it's something you EITHER love OR you hate.

well, people who "hate" scrolling...... probably should not use the internet at all

 

[0ptima]

Lets let @tenants complete the TODO list first
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[Morgain]

@tenants or anyone?
2 questions please - and Ive gone back and pruned some of my recent posts on this thread so as not to be a clutterbug

1. I can't see how to link an article to an existing thread.
There is an admin setting to dump all discussions in one selected place - I thought that was covered a long time ago and we can now link to an existing thread?
This is important to a) bring in existing articles and their discussions,
and b) to feed discussions that already exist instead of splitting into lots of new ones - which can too easily be duplicates.

2. My Category List page has a display problem.
http://www.housemorgain.co.uk/circle/xz-articles/category-list

 

[Deepmartini]

Having the full article and comments underneath isn't "endless scrolling". Endless scrolling is when the NEXT article loads when you get to the bottom of the first article. And keeps going to the next one and next one. What we are looking for is just to have the comments underneath the article and all on one page. Possibly some pagination if the comments get to be too long, like a normal thread.

 

[0ptima]

What we are looking for is just to have the comments underneath the article and all on one page.

This addon has the feel of the XF RM. Discussions are in another tab.

Possibly some pagination if the comments get to be too long, like a normal thread.

It already does this.