Who Else Is Voting For Ron Paul?

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D.O.A. said:
you guys better shut up with this ron paul stuff and focusing on Americas development economically, Isreal just called, they need a stuxnet update asap, and a third party to hassle the IAEA on their behalf seen as the never ratified a damn thing ever, or made their own nuclear stockpiles known. Isn't ignorance wonderful? lol America, USSR called you a wolf, Isreal calls you sheep
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BamaStangGuy said:
Please don't ruin this thread with this crap.
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I don't
craigiri said:
Where's my giant foam finger when I need it?
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craigiri said:
;)

Israel is the real estate where all we American Holy Folks are gonna go for the rapture. As such, we gotta protect it or we won't have our stairway to heaven.
What? No Stairway?
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I wish we'd leave Israel alone. Almost 99% of them aren't even descended from the real Hebrews of the Bible.
 
BamaStangGuy said:
We can disagree about his points but people like Fred just derail the conversation with their baseless crap.

Ron Paul has been building up Campaign For Liberty since the Republican primaries ended in 2008. As far as his progress, this is all you need to see:View attachment 23937

Whether people like Fred like it or not, Ron Paul is not going away. His support has grown tremendously and it will continue to, whether it be for him or his son Rand Paul.

The GOP is in trouble, Fred can ignore that all he wants.
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What's sad about this is that when he loses and Obama gets re-elected, people might consider him too old to vote for next time.
 
Fred Sherman said:
If you had studied history a little more fully, you'd know that the mess int he Middle East was create by British post-WWII as they abandoned colonial holding around the world. Iran did not become a problem until the Sha was overthrown in 1979 by shiite clerics who opposed modernization.
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That region has been fighting each other since before the Bible was written.

Phillistines vs The Hebrews = Palestinians vs The Jews

What's funny is that 99% of the Jews aren't even descended from the Hebrews.

They real Hebrews were political slaves mixed with other Africans brought over to the West in slave ships.
 
Seven posts in a row, with mostly full quotes?

You realise you can click Reply for each individual post you want to respond to and the contents will all be added to the editor?
 
sadikb said:
Hmmm interesting conversation... If I could vote in the US, I would have voted for Ron Paul. It is surprising that so many people say that yes he is right but we can't vote for him because he won't get anything done or idealism doesn't work etc. Sure, he may not get anything done, but what do the other candidates promise?

I have several friends in the US and just recently a friend of mine was saying how it has become nearly impossible for small business men to survive... You guys are in serious economic problems and you refuse to acknowledge it. It's really amazing. Iran is a problem as many say, but can you afford another war? And it's not like Iran or anyone else in the world has either the nerve or capability to inflict any kind of damage on US soil, so why spend billions overseas when you could help common middle class folks save some taxes? And people criticize Ron Paul for saying he doesn't support aid to Israel. I saw one his videos and he says, he doesn't support aid to anybody. You guys give several times more aid to Israel's avowed enemies than israel and claim to be their friends. How does that make sense? And what about all these totalitarian laws your govt is passing? Indefinite Detainment by the army without trial? Assassination of anyone anywhere, even in US, Locking up young kids with hardened criminals on petty drug related crimes, Shutting down sites without due process, proposed censoring of the internet? Doesn't feel like a free country to me.

Overall If Ron Paul is not the GOP candidate, Obama will win. Mitt would possibly give him good competition due to his extremely deep pockets but Obama has accomplishments he can project, which Mitt cannot.
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Either America's foreign policy has gotten so complex that it's screwed up and out of control or maybe by giving aid to both enemy and friend this is some kind of complex strategy to prevent the Muslim countries of the Middle East from uniting to form a super power of their own.
 
Ranger375 said:
I must be missing something. Many of the above "Ron Paul will win!" posts suggest he is leading in any polls. How many primaries has he won so far?

How many of you Paul supporters previously voted for Obama? The Kool Aide seems to be the same with regards to all the "hope and change."
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I honestly don't know or care. I'm just going to vote for him regardless if he wins or loses. I previously voted for Obama. Obama wasn't really about anything when he was a senator. At least everyone's pretty sure where Ron Paul stands.
sadikb said:
Fred, there are two questions that come to my mind reading your opinion.

One, Do you honestly not realize that winning a US election is about projecting an image and not about reality?

And two, Do you honestly think Mitt or Newt or even Rick would be any different from Obama in their policies?
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If either of them get elected, it's just going to be more of the same, no real change.
Brogan said:
Seven posts in a row, with mostly full quotes?

You realise you can click Reply for each individual post you want to respond to and the contents will all be added to the editor?
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Do you think Xenforo will consider adding a multi-quote link or button like other forum softwares? Sometimes I keep forgetting you can multi-quote because I'm used to posting on vbulletin. Not only that, the multi-quote does not carry over when you view the next page, so you basically have to copy-n-paste your old quotes. That's too much work.
 
I would if I were American. There's nothing wrong with his foreign policy either. He's consequent and I believe right about everything I have seen.
 
http://www.freakalytics.com/usdeficitstatsarticle/

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That chart is so wrong it's pitiful. Let me guess, it's created using those bogus figures that Pelosi threw out last year and everyone continues to believe they're right.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...lease-on-life/2011/09/28/gIQAx40Y6K_blog.html

If the chart were recast to show how much the debt went up as a percentage of GDP, it would look pretty bad for Obama after not even three years in office. In fact, Obama does almost twice as poorly as Reagan — and four times worse than George W. Bush.
Reagan: plus 14.9 percentage points​
GHW Bush: plus 7.1 percentage points​
Clinton: down 13.4 percentage points​
GW Bush: plus 5.6 percentage points​
Obama: plus 24.6 percentage points​
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Bear in mind, too. The Clinton cuts weren't really cuts, but accomplished with a lot of smoke and mirrors.​
As for Ron Paul? He's totally unelectable. His stance on Roe vs Wade ensures that.​
 
Biker said:
That chart is so wrong it's pitiful. Let me guess, it's created using those bogus figures that Pelosi threw out last year and everyone continues to believe they're right.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...lease-on-life/2011/09/28/gIQAx40Y6K_blog.html
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Are you sure Washington Post's calculations are right though?

From comments from the same link:

Your measure of using the gross domestic product is deeply flawed. The gross domestic product is way down right now because of the recession and high unemployment. much of the increase in the debt by the Obama administration can be explained by putting two wars "on the books" (since the Bush administration did not count the cost of the wars), the cost of the Medicare Part D drug benefit (passed under Bush but never funded, something that the tea party supposedly would not allow now, and the loss...See More in tax revenue from the recession as unemployed workers pay no taxes. It would seem that the best measure for increasing the debt is the percentage by which each administration increased the debt from the baseline of the total amount of the debt when they took office. President Obama has been dealt an exceptionally bad hand, but even so, his percentage of debt increase using the baseline I have suggested is way below the Republican presidents. I read somewhere (my apologies for not quoting the source but I'm sure you can Google it) that Republican presidents increased the national debt on a ratio of 2.99 to 1 over Democratic presidents from the end of WWII through 2006.

All of that said, I would like to see us reform the tax code to eliminate deductions and exceptions, reduce the overall rates, and treat all income the same, i.e. no special rates for capital gains. I think that it is obvious that we will need to employ both big cuts and increased revenue to solve our financial problems. We should suck it up and get started, the sooner the better.
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kyrgyz said:
Are you sure Washington Post's calculations are right though?
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Figures are taken directly from the CBO records, so yes, I'd put more faith in those calculations than those who have an axe to grind on one side or the other.
 
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