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Who Else Is Voting For Ron Paul?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul
As for a head to head Newt-Obama race? Obama wins by a large margin. Obviously, polls are not dispositive, and opinions (and votes) can change, but my cursory search shows Obama ahead by 12% over Newt in a head to head.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012...than-2-to-1-margin-20120117?mrefid=mostViewed
It will be exceedingly hard for the GOP candidate, whoever that may be, to beat President Obama in the general election.
Oh, yeah, and his view that government should not help out with medical care is basically a death knell for his winning anything, given senior's strong voting and money (vis a vis AARP, etc.).
I like Obama as a person. He seems genuinely interested in making things better, but I disagree with the way he approaches it, and with his handling of foreign policy. That said, I still think he might win, simply due to the lack of a better candidate coming forward in the GOP.
Particularly in the case of Iran, I'd also think a stronger signla might be required.I certainly can understand it might be sensitive after just pulling out of Iraq, but unless the US (and heck, definitely Europe as well) takes a stronger stance there, not only will it make the world less safe, but I cannot help but feel that will come back to bite Obama before the elections.
As for Libya, I would tend to disagree. Yes, that was a "NATO" action...but, the US was pretty much running the show in terms of support with drones, intelligence, and behind the scenes.
All that said, you are pretty much spot on- the American People are not very keen for foreign intervention unless clearly necessary for our national interest. The cost (blood and treasure) is seen as too high.
In addition, I know some disagree with this, but President Obama was standing watch when Bin-Laden was killed, and (to the consternation of many liberals) his prosecution of the war against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have been much closer to Bush policies than ever projected. His use (and expansion of use) of drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been a fairly "muscular" bit of military foreign policy.
As for Iran...let's wait and see.
I do agree with you and believe Obama is doing a good job going after Al Quada, most noticably with the Osama hit, as well as the other high ranking ops afterwards.
But yeah. Iran. Shame. The Iranians I know are very warm and friendly people. It's also pretty much where civilisation as we know it started. It'd be a real shame to see the country getting involved in another war, but as things are now, it (in my opinion, anyway) poses the single biggest threat. It's also a great disturbance to its neighbours, and that will somehow have to be dealt with sooner or later.
I'm hoping that Obama will not go the way the last Dutch government went (which was just shoving any important decision back on the agenda for the next government to deal with) for the sake of his re-election. In Holland, that policy had grave consequences, and the issues there were far less dangerous than here.
As far as their security threat, there have been quite a few recent reports of stepped up covert action, including the assassination of nuclear scientists. American officials have disavowed any knowledge/participation in these activities, and I think the common view is that this is Israeli action. I say all of this to put my best guess into context. I would strongly suspect that Israel would take action (unilateral if there is no international support, multilateral if they can get it) if Iran embarks on/gets closer to being nuclear capable. I don't think there will be a protracted military action, more targeted military strikes, if diplomacy/sanctions do not work. The wildcard, I think, is if the Strait of Hormuz is closed off; in that case, I think we may see more conventional military action, at least to keep shipping lanes open.
Let's hope peace prevails!
This is what stumps me about the thought that President Obama has not had "strong foreign policy" (inclusive of military action). Under his administration, the United States has pursued an exceptionally strong policy of targeted killings and use of drones to execute military/foreign policy goals. It is probably among the most "muscular" use of American capabilities under any President. I just don't really understand the argument that he has not been a strong President in the military/foreign policy arena.
I guess our world views are all warped depending on where we live and what we expose ourselves to.....
Ron Paul is ALL of our favorite crazy uncle. He says some thing we know are true (regarding war, etc.), yet in the real world of politics would get absolutely zero done. BOTH parties would gang up on him in Congress to keep their gravy train going. Remember your civics classes? The Presidential veto can be over-riden and it would be...but this is all speculation since he will get no closer to the white house than Ralph Nader (who I voted for, BTW....Ross Perot too!).
Newt has every possible fault a man and candidate could have. He'd be in jail if he was just a regular guy (he was censored and disciplined for funny business..but his own party, too!)
But let me be the first to congratulate him - at least he pays his taxes! Good for him! He therefore has the platform to run his mouth. Romney does not, IMHO - being as he has been avoiding taxes and paying less than 1/2 Newts rate....
But all of this is being ginned up to give the media something to report on. Mitt is the "blessed" nominee of the party and I will be very surprised if Gingrich gets the nod. Very.
Doesn't mean it can't happen. I'm just playing the large percentages.
Also, what "philosophical" fences will he be erecting? As far as I'm concerned, there will be much less fences, as he's not picking and choosing who we put sanctions on just because they don't agree with us.
As for us being less safe, how is that so? He'd continue to spend the same amount as we do on national defense (which is more than four times that of China), along with putting bases back in America, where they can actually DEFEND the U.S.A., and not be in other countries medaling with their internal affairs. How would you like if other countries had military bases on our soil? Don't you think that would cause some sort of blow back?
Politicians say what people want to hear. I don't say that is wrong. After all, they are politicans.
But people also have to understand just because they say so, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
The current administration inherited a mess. I guess depending on your point of view, every incoming president inherits a mess.
Why is flip flop considered a negative term? If you are heading into a brick wall, you don't blast your way through just because you can't admit that it is the wrong direction.
I want a president who can reaccess the situation and make decisions based on new information. Not stick to one plan. The end does not justify the means.
And insiders are bad. In politics you need to know the system. An 'outsider' isn't going to get anything done. Does someone really think they can change a 200 year old system in just 4 years?
Seems the only way to get decisions passed is when the house and senate are the same party as the president.
Of course it is hardly ever what the other party wants. Bi-partisan politics just doesn't seem to work.
Back to Ron Paul.
Seems he was the first to embrace the internet with viral advertising. I don't quiet understand why his videos appear in every forum I participate in.
Some of his statements scare me, others make sense.
I am undecided.
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