Who Else Is Voting For Ron Paul?
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Brent W
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That's not a reason to not vote for him. It is a reason to, because he will challenge our current system.
Pereira
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Did I say not to vote for him? If anything he has run the best campaign out of everyone all along. I also did credit him for not changing his views on the issues just to please the crowd in front of him, unlike the others. I just said his views are pretty radical and I think they would be very hard to implement in the current political system.
Ranger375
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Ranger375
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That is one opinion of many.
Stevebullman
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Fair enough! Your comments, particularly the last one just reminded me of how my wife was when i first rescued her from the states 11 years agoYeah you know, being in the military and seeing that world and all that
Brent W
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Paul bots...lol
Guy with nothing to add but labels.
Brent W
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Well, duh. I don't believe I have witnessed a better rebuttal this entire thread, than yours right there.
Fred Sherman
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If you had studied history a little more fully, you'd know that the mess int he Middle East was create by British post-WWII as they abandoned colonial holding around the world. Iran did not become a problem until the Sha was overthrown in 1979 by shiite clerics who opposed modernization.
DRE
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I agree with you there. I found out what Mormons believed in a long time ago. I still can't believe Mitt Romney has made it this far... and Newt is the severest form of a hypocrite. I think he's only in it for the money and power. I voted for Obama last time but he's done some stuff I just can't agree with. I wish I had researched his own voting and senate record before I voted for him but I didn't. I only found out about it afterwards..
Fred Sherman
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Ron Paulisms
"I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any wonder the AIDS epidemic started after they 'came out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy?"
"[Martin Luther King, Jr.], the FBI files reveal, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys…And we are supposed to honor this 'Christian minister' and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on par with George Washington?"
Interviewer: "In the last interview we did with a Libertarian candidate for President, he said you that would abolish the CIA, the FBI, and the IRS. Do you hold those same positions?"
Ron Paul: "Yes, I do -- because you know, most of our history, we didn't have those institutions"
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided.”
Conservative are always being accused by the left of being racist, homophobic, anti-semite and plain out of touch with the mainstream. The problem with Ron Paul is that the accusations are all true. Not only is he unelectable, he should never be allowed near the Football.
"I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any wonder the AIDS epidemic started after they 'came out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy?"
"[Martin Luther King, Jr.], the FBI files reveal, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys…And we are supposed to honor this 'Christian minister' and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on par with George Washington?"
Interviewer: "In the last interview we did with a Libertarian candidate for President, he said you that would abolish the CIA, the FBI, and the IRS. Do you hold those same positions?"
Ron Paul: "Yes, I do -- because you know, most of our history, we didn't have those institutions"
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. ... What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the violence subsided.”
Conservative are always being accused by the left of being racist, homophobic, anti-semite and plain out of touch with the mainstream. The problem with Ron Paul is that the accusations are all true. Not only is he unelectable, he should never be allowed near the Football.
DRE
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No. I'm kind of ashamed of my voting record. I voted for Bush twice, then Obama when this whole time I could've been voting for better candidates. Back then, I had voted for candidates that I knew would win. I have to stop thinking like that and vote for candidates that I know should win. I know Ron Paul isn't going to win, but I at least want to think I'm voting for a right cause at least once in my life. The reason I made this thread was to learn more about why other admins on here would vote for Ron Paul. I'm not deep into politics so I actually learned a lot in this thread.
DRE
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It wasn't until sometime after I made this thread that I learned bout all this Confederate stuff.
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gan...right-civil-war-speech-with-confederate-flag/
craigiri
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Unfortunately, myself and many others learned the consequences of "conscience" voting in 2000. I voted for Nader.
I guess I'm a bit of a realist. I voted for Perot because it was true that he had a chance. If I was in MN, I'd probably have voted for Jesse V.
As with many other Americans, most of the time ANY choice is better than those put before us by the major parties.
However, 2000 changed all that. Of course, this is ALSO one opinion out of many, but the harm done to our country (and world) resulting from a few folks voting their conscience (nader, etc.) will take decades to undo. It was very real.
Of course, no one can say what would have happened if Gore was elected instead of Bush. However, it's safe to assume he would not have taken many of the excessive directions that Cheney took.
Politics is perhaps the most complicated subject that exists. Think of it this way. You math geeks know about chess....how many trillions of possibilities there are? It's almost beyond comprehension! Well, politics is like chess - but with billions of players and each one able to move in infinite ways! Imagine that!
In the end I tend to think this is the sane view- that the world does not and will never turn on a dime, nor in your or my lifetimes. Change happens slowly over decades, generations and centuries. This being the case, direction is often more important than perfection. So I ask myself...are we moving ahead, however unsteadily. In a general sense, the US stalled for a long period from the 70's until relatively recently. But now we are moving ahead slowly in some of the places that matter - the most important, IMHO, being energy (increase CAFE standards, etc.) as well as the start of our long march toward universal health care.
As I said above, the problem is when we look at these massive societal changes as being as simple as programming an add-on.
craigiri
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Very true, Fred, but realistically we are simply the new Brits. Or a coalition with them.
Much of the mess was about the oil. Whether BP or Aramco doesn't matter too much. The Brits switched their navy from coal to oil and that was the end of it. Well, as you know, lots more involved but all about resources......usually energy, but sometimes tea, opium, coal, etc.
Brent W
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You fail to note that Ron Paul did not write a single one of those. (Clarify: The Newsletter quotes)
Brent W
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When all else fails and you can't argue against Ron Paul's foreign policy or economic policy, call him a racist.
Fred Sherman
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Between the mid 50s and the late 70s, the entree world was a geopolitical dance between the US and the USSR. Its hard to understand if you didn't live through the Cold War, but both sides did a lot of morally questionable 9at best) actions on the world stage to thwart the other.
I shudder to consider what the world would be like today without the steadfastness of Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John-Paul II on our side and Gorbachev as a reformer on the other.
Disrupting Soviet-Iranian relations wasn't about oil. It was about denying the Soviets access to a warm water port for the ICBM submarine fleet.
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