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I don't know why it is so bad to discuss another product. It generally would go outside of the staffs knowledge or ability to comment on, but any such limitation on discussion would only be arbitrary. The site can limit discussion as it sees fit, but I don't get the big deal about discussing the pros and (many) cons of other options out there.

Other than subjective statement, I don't see banning of topics or statements that the mods disagree with.

Carry on.
 
jadmperry said:
I don't know why it is so bad to discuss another product. It generally would go outside of the staffs knowledge or ability to comment on, but any such limitation on discussion would only be arbitrary. The site can limit discussion as it sees fit, but I don't get the big deal about discussing the pros and (many) cons of other options out there.

Other than subjective statement, I don't see banning of topics or statements that the mods disagree with.

Carry on.
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The fact that it wasn't allowed before but it is now. Is that to deviate from xf development talk? I don't know, it could be. A xenforo company forum where you can't not talk about xf development but only vb5 development which is basically a slating thread. Did i mention these threads weren't allowed before?

I did point that out (which was ignored) but hey, you want a divided community, you got one.
 
Shelley said:
The fact that it wasn't allowed before but it is now. Is that to deviate from xf development talk? I don't know, it could be. A xenforo company forum where you can't not talk about xf development but only vb5 development which is basically a slating thread. Did i mention these threads weren't allowed before?

I did point that out (which was ignored) but hey, you want a divided community, you got one.
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Not sure I follow the complaint. Is it a change, or the underlying discussion being allowed now when it may (or may not) have been before?

Not sure why you say people can't talk about XF development. I have seen plenty talk about that.

I don't want a divided community. Not sure why you think I do. (And, to be honest, not sure what that means to you....on the planet I live on, I would prefer everyone agrees with me...unfortunately, I have not yet been voted omnipotent benign ruler for life, nor have I been successful in my quest for world domination...but give me some time).
 
People who are known on Xenforo.com should expect to easily receive BANS on vBulletin.com for speaking out about the horrible quality of vBulletin 5 and the terrible direction they are going in.
 
jadmperry said:
Not sure I follow the complaint. Is it a change, or the underlying discussion being allowed now when it may (or may not) have been before?

Not sure why you say people can't talk about XF development. I have seen plenty talk about that.

I don't want a divided community. Not sure why you think I do. (And, to be honest, not sure what that means to you....on the planet I live on, I would prefer everyone agrees with me...unfortunately, I have not yet been voted omnipotent benign ruler for life, nor have I been successful in my quest for world domination...but give me some time).
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Yes you do, and I can assure you you'll never have a community again that was working together, sharing ideas all the good stuff that make a community. This is what you have now.

Carry on with this thread if this is really all that xenforo has to offer.

ps just noticed the lawsuit thread closed. :confused:
 
Digital Doctor said:
People who are known on Xenforo.com should expect to easily receive BANS on vBulletin.com for speaking out about the horrible quality of vBulletin 5 and the terrible direction they are going in.
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Syndol is well known to xenforo, he was concerned and tried to air his concerns, he got verbally bashed with profanity by members and told to leave. Is that acceptable yet you have the luxury of speaking/slating a competitor with zero censorship or abuse. Enjoy your thread if this is all that brings you here.
 
Shelley said:
Yes you do, and I can assure you you'll never have a community again that was working together, sharing ideas all the good stuff that make a community. This is what you have now.

Carry on with this thread if this is really all that xenforo has to offer.

ps just noticed the lawsuit thread closed. :confused:
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Thanks for bolding my own statement and then disagreeing with my subjective thoughts and desires. Seems odd that you know what I think and hope for, but, if you have some greater insight or authority for knowing what I think, well, I guess I have to defer to your knowledge of my thoughts.

Thanks also for letting me know what I will never have and the permission to carry on with the thread. If that is my choice, I will participate as allowed.
 
jadmperry said:
Thanks for bolding my own statement and then disagreeing with my subjective thoughts and desires. Seems odd that you know what I think and hope for, but, if you have some greater insight or authority for knowing what I think, well, I guess I have to defer to your knowledge of my thoughts.

Thanks also for letting me know what I will never have and the permission to carry on with the thread. If that is my choice, I will participate as allowed.
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Yes, I'm the bad guy I caused all of the issues here just blame me. I'll be the scapegoat, yet again.
 
Digital Doctor said:
People who are known on Xenforo.com should expect to easily receive BANS on vBulletin.com for speaking out about the horrible quality of vBulletin 5 and the terrible direction they are going in.
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I have a good solution for that...though I am still a license holder (though, my license, according to IB anyway, seems subject to change according to terms they don't publicize and seem to be confused about themselves- when I write that, I mean that when I check in at vB.com, the terms seem to change so often, without notice, that it is dizzying to try to track exactly what I bought before and what they think my license means), I gave up posting there because it was apparent to me that IB has no intention of delivering on the promised vB4.x series and they have no better product in the works.

That is not to say I won't post anything in the future there. I am just waiting for something that is more obvious than the failure of their recent releases that would make my thoughts as a licence holder relevant.
 
Shelley said:
Yes, I'm the bad guy I caused all of the issues here just blame me. I'll be the scapegoat, yet again.
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Didn't call you a bad guy. My preference is that you don't mischaracterize my statements, but if you need a strawman, not much I can do about that. I just don't care for others putting words in my mouth. And I also vehemently object to people stating conclusions about how others feel or the state of the community here. Checking in over the past two days (plus or minus) there was minimal drama for once in a long time. Kind of sad that the drama needs to go on for some people.
 
Lots of people learned about Xenforo from the vBulletin thread about the IB XF lawsuit.
Lots of people will learn about vBulletin from this thread.

Overall this thread has lots of good information in it.
Often better information about vB5 than the vB5 forums.

I have also posted some positive things about vBulletin 5 in this thread.

If vBulletin 5 was what it should be ..... this thread would be a good way to learn about when the Xenforo IMPEX is ready.

This thread is a review of Xenforo's competition. vBulletin 5 could have been a dream and this thread would be about how to migrate to vBulletin, especially considering the "situation" at xenforo.com

I've learned about IPB queries, vBulletin queries and many other things about vBulletin's future vision.

I think monitoring vBulletin 5's readiness in one thread is not unfair to anyone.
 
jadmperry said:
Didn't call you a bad guy. My preference is that you don't mischaracterize my statements, but if you need a strawman, not much I can do about that. I just don't care for others putting words in my mouth. And I also vehemently object to people stating conclusions about how others feel or the state of the community here. Checking in over the past two days (plus or minus) there was minimal drama for once in a long time. Kind of sad that the drama needs to go on for some people.
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Not having a go at you btw. I find you to be sensible polite guy. Just want xenforo to get past all this. Xenforo does not need this thread, it wasn't allowed before but if that is all people rely on is threads like this slating a competitor, enjoy it.

Done with this thread. :)
 
DD,

Not that you need the affirmation, but I wasn't taking you to task by my response....Just posting that after I moved on from vB, I gave up trying to express my views there. Seemed pointless. I am somewhat ambivalent on the reverse here. Part of me thinks that all the drama queens, naysayers, and the doom and gloom crowd should similarly leave here. I have a small part, though, that thinks that some might change their minds, so they should post their concerns/thoughts.

At the end of the day, though, the calculus is the same- if this software (which almost everyone seems to acknowledge functions well above expectations) works for you, use it and love it. If it doesn't or worries about the future of it override that, then don't. Seems easy to me.
 
Shelley said:
Not having a go at you btw. I find you to be sensible polite guy. Just want xenforo to get past all this. Xenforo does not need this thread, it wasn't allowed before but if that is all people rely on is threads like this slating a competitor, enjoy it.

Done with this thread. :)
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Shelley,

Thanks for the reply. I think everyone would prefer XF goes on to better and greater things. Not sure if XF "needs" this thread, but objectively, I don't see why it hurts. As always, uninteresting or irrelevant threads can be ignored, not read, or not followed. But, I do suppose concern for the community is a fair comment.
 
vBulletin.com should consider this thread their "real" feedback / pre-sales thread.
After all, we are the people that left vBulletin.
We are probably the people most likely to go back to vBulletin if things dont work out here.
We are probably doing them a favour keeping everything in one thread, so that is all they have to read.

As well, when vBulletin is better, I'm sure Paul M will be here to tell us.
The fact that vBulletin staff are allowed to post here is more than gracious.

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If Paul M said some of the facts here were incorrect or outdated, I am sure we would ALL be listening.
 
Why is it bad to compare a competing product? I suppose the definition of "bashing" is open to debate, but it the product is bad (subjectively or objectively), I don't see the harm in discussing it. As a matter of policly, XF is free to limit the discussions allowed as it sees fit. But, if they allow it, I think people have a choice to read or not read, or to participate or not participate. I don't know why this is controversial.
 
vVv said:
i agree with ya about that. :) just, if you go over there, is there 50 page thread for XF? the goods, the bads, the uglies.. haha.. xD to point of their actual support threads/posts.. lacking support... but XF thread gets 50 pages worth of love lol
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Hard to compare sites as to what they allow and don't allow and whatnot....there used to be active threads there about the lawsuit, for example. But, many months ago, they decided to lock it and stop conversation about it.

My own opinion is that IB does not allow conversation about other products as it would tend to show shortcomings in their own product and draw away potential customers. If people could post at vb.com about the advantages of XF (or any other forum), they would lose customers (and, a lightbulb just went off in my head, there are comparisons allowed here- I recently read posts about Burning Board/Woltab....nobody go exercised about that, as far as I recall). My thought is that XF is so good as it is, there is not much risk in saying, "If something works better for you, go for it.").
 
R_A said:
Are we forgetting someone reeeeally really obvious?
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No.

1. Jelsoft was not a start up. Established company.
2. IB was paying them millions a year for software.

Nothing like a small startup like XenForo.
 
Not sure how anyone can judge "fair." There is no ultimate arbiter of that idea.

I have read a lot of your threads about how you wish people would spend more time on support threads. It is your opinion, so there is nothing wrong with that. But, I would ask you a question in response. Have you had problem with getting support here?

For someone like me, without ability to really help anyone with technical issues (I am just a forum admin, I can't really help anyone much, I think), why should I not post in the community threads? Should I not post because I don't have any coding skills, have never made a skin or style, and have a hard time telling a <div> from a can of diet coke? And, if it holds true for me, why not others? My point is that I wonder why the "community" should be limited to only coders. Not that I need anyone's approval, but I think it is not fair to doubt this community based on people posting, but not giving technical advice. I surely am not calling you out, and think your opinions are as valid as anyone else's....but, unless you were lurking for a long time, you only joined this forum in the past few weeks. It just seems strange to seem to long for the "good old days" when I don't think much has changed and I see most questions answered by the mods really quickly.
Again, not calling you out or criticizing....just posting this to maybe give you another perspective.
 
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