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Jethro
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AnthonyCea
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A scientist was on TV last night saying that global warming is a fact, not a theory any longer !!
Peggy
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yeah yeah yeah... judging by this past week, and the fact that just a day ot two ago, 49 out of 50 U.S. states had snow on the ground, I'd say they can stick that global warming theory where the sun don't shine.
AnthonyCea
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LOL, warmth produces more snow in the USA Peggy, you need moisture in the air to produce snow, so the warmer earth's climate gets the more snow is produced, that was also on the news just yesterday.
Elizabeth
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Yeah, and other scientists will tell you that global warming is a bunch of hooey.
Found these interesting:
Quote by Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace: "It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
Quote by Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency: "We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment."
Quote from Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist: "It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty."
Quote by Christopher Manes, a writer for Earth First! journal: "The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing."
Quote by Ted Turner, billionaire, founder of CNN and major UN donor, and large CO2 producer: “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Quote by Jacques Cousteau, mega-celebrity French scientist: "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day."
Quote by John Miller, a NOAA climate scientist: "I would be remiss, as a scientist who studied this, if I didn't mention the following two things: The first is that, most importantly, we need to do, as a society, in this country and globally, whatever we can to reduce population"....."Our whole economic system is based on growth, and growth of our population, and this economic madness has to end."
Quote by John Davis, editor of Earth First! journal: "I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems."
Quote by Chris Folland of UK Meteorological Office: “The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models.”
Quote by Noel Brown, UN official: "Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos." (Editor: Yes, he meant the year 2000.)
AnthonyCea
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What bible are you reading Shelley ?
I did not see any scriptures quoted in the thread !!
I did not see any scriptures quoted in the thread !!
Tigratrus
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All the rhetoric is irrelevant.
Just look at the average global yearly temperatures and then look at how many of the top 10 HOTTEST years in recorded history (this is a yearly average over the whole globe, not a weekly temp in one small area) have been in the last decade. It's something like 7 or 8.
That's not a theory. That's not cherry picked statistics that can be warped to support whatever the statistician wants to support. It's not a local, subjective "feeling". It's simple and unavoidable.
The global temp IS going up, now exactly WHY that is happening is subject to debate, but the fact that the averages are climbing isn't really a subject of debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recenttc_triad.html
Just look at the average global yearly temperatures and then look at how many of the top 10 HOTTEST years in recorded history (this is a yearly average over the whole globe, not a weekly temp in one small area) have been in the last decade. It's something like 7 or 8.
That's not a theory. That's not cherry picked statistics that can be warped to support whatever the statistician wants to support. It's not a local, subjective "feeling". It's simple and unavoidable.
The global temp IS going up, now exactly WHY that is happening is subject to debate, but the fact that the averages are climbing isn't really a subject of debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recenttc_triad.html
Elizabeth
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However, if you look at this graph, you will see we aren't as close to being the hottest on record by a long shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Five_Myr_Climate_Change.svg
Here is the article it goes with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record Looking at the 800,000 years and 3 million years ago.
Tigratrus
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Right... As I said, the reasons WHY it's climbing is subject to debate. 
But the fact that it is climbing, is not.
I do find it VERY suspicious that it's rising as precipitously as it is *right now* and that the spike coincides with modern industrialization.
It's also worth pointing out that we may not have hit the same peak as 800,000 or 3,000,000 years ago, but there's no valid to reason to believe that we aren't just seeing the start of a rise to those levels or higher. And there's every reason to believe that it will simply keep climbing at an ever steeper rate.
Look at the detail on one of the graphs you linked to (same article I linked) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png
In particular, look at the slopes of the temperature change lines and just how precipitous a climb the last couple of decades have been.
But the fact that it is climbing, is not.
I do find it VERY suspicious that it's rising as precipitously as it is *right now* and that the spike coincides with modern industrialization.
It's also worth pointing out that we may not have hit the same peak as 800,000 or 3,000,000 years ago, but there's no valid to reason to believe that we aren't just seeing the start of a rise to those levels or higher. And there's every reason to believe that it will simply keep climbing at an ever steeper rate.
Look at the detail on one of the graphs you linked to (same article I linked) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png
In particular, look at the slopes of the temperature change lines and just how precipitous a climb the last couple of decades have been.
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