Lisa
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Haven't got a clue who's on Morgain's site or what it's about. I rarely spend any time on pagan sites these days
Ok so whats so great about...
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Lisa
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No idea LOL Male pagans aren't generally called wizards though. It depends what pagan path they follow, he mightn't be a witch either. Could be a Druid, Wiccan, Shaman amongst many others.
Lisa
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Voldemort LOL!
Lisa
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I know a couple of Shamans
Men can be witches (I assume that's what you're referencing), they're just not generally called wizards or (contrary to popular belief) warlocks (even though it was a great film with Richard E Grant and Julian Sands) 
whynot
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Looking forward to meet you!I know a couple of Shamans
Morgain
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I have quite a few websites. One is academic, one is business, one is a craftsman, one is House Morgain and it's that one I put in my signature here.
House Morgain is not "a Pagan site." It's a Clan of people who love`freedom first and foremost but who believe that clan - mutual support - is crucial to freedom.
Not all our`members are Pagan, though many are. The site does not give standard info about Paganism though questions would get answered.
Members say what kind of Pagan they are in their profiles, or they can click "Likeminded."
The rest is a Morgain lecture so here's your courtesy warning to skip
Being Pagan is`quite minimal, doesn't mean a whole lot, as very flexible. There's no authority to define it. We speak of "herding cats" because every Pagan is independent.
Originally "country person" or "country bumpkin" in Latin.
I'd say nowadays it's about respecting the Earth, honouring the body as our personal earth and enjoying it; recognisng Goddess as a central part of Paganism. Note no personal connection with Goddess is necessary but respect for Goddess tradition is.
Americans use the term Wicca pretty much to mean Pagan which is a bit confusing. In Britain, where Wicca was founded in the 1940s, Wicca is a very specific type of Paganism which requires you to be recognised by a Wiccan teacher to join, and you train for "A year and a day" in fairly set ways. Teachers can give their "lineage" back to the first founders.
In the wide web of Paganism, as Azhria says, are various structured and dedication traditions: Craft, Druidry, Shamanism etc There are many, and some build around ethnic traditions like Celtic, Nordic (Heathen), Greek, Egyptian, Voudun.
Wicca is part of the Craft. I am Craft but not Wicca, since 1984 and have been a well known teacher in Britain until I retired in 2001 from community work.
A man who is a Witch is called a male Witch.
A woman who is a Druid is often called a female Druid.
This reflects the bias of the two traditions. The difference is not enormous though and many people move between the two every few years, or practice both.
There is a strong honourable tradition of Solitaries who do not join groups, covens, lodges, groves, hearths, clans etc They may attend the many public festivals or not and may guest at a private event sometimes or they may be strictly Solitary.
People move fairly easily from Solitary practice to working with covens, lodges, groves, clans etc Researchers have commented that we are a nightmare for them as we frequently move into different kinds of commitment every couple of years. (Herding cats again!)
Anything I have said could be cause for disagreement with another Pagan due to our extreme independence. (Herding cats again!)
In particular I would not claim to be knowledgeable about Paganism in America which has divergences from the British motherland.
Haven't got a clue who's on Morgain's site. I rarely spend any time on pagan sites these days
House Morgain is not "a Pagan site." It's a Clan of people who love`freedom first and foremost but who believe that clan - mutual support - is crucial to freedom.
Not all our`members are Pagan, though many are. The site does not give standard info about Paganism though questions would get answered.
Members say what kind of Pagan they are in their profiles, or they can click "Likeminded."
The rest is a Morgain lecture so here's your courtesy warning to skip
Being Pagan is`quite minimal, doesn't mean a whole lot, as very flexible. There's no authority to define it. We speak of "herding cats" because every Pagan is independent.
Originally "country person" or "country bumpkin" in Latin.
I'd say nowadays it's about respecting the Earth, honouring the body as our personal earth and enjoying it; recognisng Goddess as a central part of Paganism. Note no personal connection with Goddess is necessary but respect for Goddess tradition is.
Americans use the term Wicca pretty much to mean Pagan which is a bit confusing. In Britain, where Wicca was founded in the 1940s, Wicca is a very specific type of Paganism which requires you to be recognised by a Wiccan teacher to join, and you train for "A year and a day" in fairly set ways. Teachers can give their "lineage" back to the first founders.
In the wide web of Paganism, as Azhria says, are various structured and dedication traditions: Craft, Druidry, Shamanism etc There are many, and some build around ethnic traditions like Celtic, Nordic (Heathen), Greek, Egyptian, Voudun.
Wicca is part of the Craft. I am Craft but not Wicca, since 1984 and have been a well known teacher in Britain until I retired in 2001 from community work.
A man who is a Witch is called a male Witch.
A woman who is a Druid is often called a female Druid.
This reflects the bias of the two traditions. The difference is not enormous though and many people move between the two every few years, or practice both.
There is a strong honourable tradition of Solitaries who do not join groups, covens, lodges, groves, hearths, clans etc They may attend the many public festivals or not and may guest at a private event sometimes or they may be strictly Solitary.
People move fairly easily from Solitary practice to working with covens, lodges, groves, clans etc Researchers have commented that we are a nightmare for them as we frequently move into different kinds of commitment every couple of years. (Herding cats again!)
Anything I have said could be cause for disagreement with another Pagan due to our extreme independence. (Herding cats again!)
In particular I would not claim to be knowledgeable about Paganism in America which has divergences from the British motherland.
Morgain
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It was vVv who teased on the priest angle then deleted. So my post looks a bit odd.
I wasn't really aiming that at you, just making a general point about choice.
I think being strongminded and assertive - and old! - I do come over like that. Also a lot of what I say is not only about personal experience, but based on a lot of research over the years around my interests. That does give a different tone.
If I'm working n teacher mode, or healer mode, I do take care to make it very clear that what I say is mine own only in order to strengthen others' ability to disagree with me. In those modes it's my task to nurture self confidence.
Here I don't see myself like that. I'm not responsible for your ability to dissect, and disagree. I speak as I wish and I expect people to decide for themselves what they agree with or don't agree with in what I say. Strong assertion is not the same as`"truth."
I also hate it when you attempt to say the entire country has the same viewpoint as yourself.... I'm English and I absolutely detest Ugg boots, I don't have any foot problems and I don't know of any feet-hating culture going on either.
Well I'm not English for a start! I don't live in England either.
There are those in my house to whom such an implication would be grave insult and there'd be talk of "going outside to settle it""
Just sayin' to make it clear it's an issue not to assume native British people are English.The points I made were general, not about you in particular.
In British culture over the last few centuries "shoes" came to mean "respectability." By the mid 20thC it became considered normal to wear shoes, based on mass production. But mass production meant poorly made shoes which do not fit individual feet well. Any chiropodist will tell you how bad mass made shoes are for our feet.
But by now the `majority of people were horrified to see a naked foot outside bathroom or beach. That's what I meant a bit whimsically by "foot-hating" culture. The dreaded foot MUST be hidden or the gods of snob and respectability are offended!
I have a research file about the damage shoes do to feet and British shoes are much worse than American ones. The results tend to show up in later life so younger people are often unaware of the damage which is being built up. Though I understand from a chiropodist recently that it's getting worse in recent years due to bad fashions, and they are now getting a lot more young people of 30 with what used to be ageing foot problems.
Thank you for thoughtful points Azhria.[/quote][/quote]
Lisa
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That'll explain why I was confused them
Ahh well, it was in reply to me so natural assumption I guess.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. XenForo support isn't really the place for us to get into that particular discussion
Well I'm not English for a start! I don't live in England either.
There are those in my house to whom such an implication would be grave insult and there'd be talk of "going outside to settle it""
Never said you were English, but you were making statements about the English
Perception on British Culture should really be based on experience not about reading what other people think is British Culture. You rarely find people offended by seeing someone's feet in the UK.. you might get shops having a moan and pointing to health and safety reasons, but on the whole no one really cares.
Anytime
Before I forget.. I wasn't stating that your site was Pagan, I was just stating that I rarely spend time on Pagan sites these days. I was pretty clear in my wording that I hadn't a clue what your site was about, I think
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lol again, my post was just GENERAL sarcasm and joking around... it wasn't personally aimed at one specific person. it wasn't calling anyone priest either. i was merely joking/sarcastic about long winded/lecture style replies IN GENERAL.. to save them for Sunday. didn't mean to turn it in another direction, like "who's priest here?" or "so and so is being priest, because of their mini novel/sermon like posts"... Didn't name names, didn't directly quote anyone's stuff, didn't point it towards anyone specific person. lmfao
Morgain
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Never said you were English, but you were making statements about the English
Oh dear! Not. I was speaking of the British. I specifically said UK culture - that does NOT mean "the English"though far too many English think it does.
As I said that there can be fighting talk. The Celtic peoples do not like it when it's assumed that British/ UK = English.
I don't agree with either point. If you or I speak about British culture, American culture, Japanese culture, those are huge complex cultures. They go far beyond any one person's experience.
For example I have lived in Wales, and London, visited the South West of England, Midlands, Scotlamd and Ireland. Never been in the North and really only scanty acquaintance of Scotland and Ireland. Also weak on N Wales (the Gog). I have known people from all areas.
But I wouldn't see that as enough for me to analyse a trend in Britain in general.
What does help me broaden my knowledge is studying sociology, anthropology, psychology and history over around 40 years. Plus I'm the news correspondent for British items for Pentacle magazine so I collect current issues. I'm also handfast to a political analyst.
Good quality surveys (you do need to select) give results based on thousands of people's behaviour. Well written books and articles are good though both surveys and literature carry bias. The skill is in comparing multiple sources of information not just rushing off based on one or two.
Secondly barefooting. is not widely accepted in the UK.
My son as a 24/7 barefooter is routinetly subjected to rude remarks, and stares, and worse, from complete strangers suggesting he is dirty, unintelligent, primitive or smelly! He has been banned by one supermarket chain and we're negotiating with a second.
Nor is he unusual. His experience is typical as the forums on barefooting sites show.
Years ago it was very different. Until about 1995 I could walk anywhere barefoot with maybe a curious question here and there. But the days of openminded liberal Britain are gone, sadly replaced by an anxious conformity. Ugh.
Lisa
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Do you actually read what is said to you or do you just take out words and force it to fit how you want to reply?
Either way.. I'm so bored now it's frightening.. *yawns and goes to find something more interesting to read*
DRE
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