Occupy !

[Fred Sherman]

Two things that the military has always had a contingency plan for:
1. An attempted revolution
2. A president that attempts to not leave office

 

[Digital Doctor]

Two things that the military has always had a contingency plan for: 1. An attempted revolution

When 10 protesters show up at the square, the government shoots 8 and 2 run away.
When 1 million people show up at the square, the government is out of a job.

Even the United States with the "Laughably Large" number of jails can't do anything.
The military / police won't fire one bullet. No significant number of lives will be lost.
The Egyptian army is very large. They didn't do anything. Neither will the US Army.
When your sister is one of the protesters, you don't start shooting.

2. A president that attempts to not leave office

Interesting concept.

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Interesting Ideas here too.

Chris Hedges

 

[Fred Sherman]

Wow! Invoking Karl Marx, corporations are the "criminal class", corporations don't produce anything, conservatives are radicals and radicals are conservatives, neofeudalism?

The interviewer was right - left-wing nut bar.

 

[Digital Doctor]

Don't blame Canada ... embrace it !

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The interviewer was right - left-wing nut bar.

Definitely crunchy.

 

[grant sarver]

Wow! Invoking Karl Marx

Actually Karl Marx was a very astute observer. He recognized the problem and analysed the roots of the problem and did a very good job of explaining the problem. Now, his solution to the problem was rightly lampooned in "Animal Farm". Israel and Sweden show that socialism and capitalism CAN co-exist.

There is no justification for the top 1% having more wealth than the bottom 50%. I know; "they earned it". Nobody earns billions, they "acquire" billions. Put another way; if money is power (and it is), power can not be allowed to be that concentrated. I't's just not sustainable. Whenever power becomes that concentrated revolution will likely ensue. Do you really think Bill Gates or Steve Jobs would have backed off if they could only make hundreds of millions?

It's like if your neighbor is storing 1000 times more food than he can possibly use while your children (and thousands of your neighbors) go to bed hungry. Who cares about his justifications then?

 

[Fred Sherman]

So what's the answer? Just take it from the people who've earned it? Keep this in mind. Wealth is a lot like jobs. Its pretty easy for 1% to pick up and move out of the country and take it with them. Then what? What do you do when they start leaving for the Cayman Islands, Trinidad, Switzerland? But actually get up and move with their wealth, relocating the companies that earned them that wealth?

When you punish success, success will no longer exist. When the tax code becomes punitive, then people will move and not be a part of the system.

 

[grant sarver]

Understand; I'm not advocating, actually the system has been good to me. Punish success? After Bill gates was worth $1 billion, do you think it was the lure of even more wealth that drove him? At a certain point, it's just numbers on paper, money is just how you keep score. Once I was comfortable it was never the money that drove me. I just totally loved the hunt. Speaking of "hunt", how many hunters need the meat?

 

[Digital Doctor]

Keep this in mind. Wealth is a lot like jobs. Its pretty easy for 1% to pick up and move out of the country and take it with them.

I'd say that is fear mongering more than reality.

 

[Fred Sherman]

I'd say that is fear mongering more than reality.

Really? Want me to describe the 100 point system for applying for citizenship in the Cayman Islands or the part of Georgetown I'm looking at?

Do that math: http://www.isla-offshore.com/second-passport/usa-expats-exit-tax/
http://knol.google.com/k/economic-citizenship-programs#
http://conservativedailynews.com/2010/03/are-wealthy-americans-leaving-the-country/

Check into it. Its becoming something of a cottage industry int he Caribbean. The next great American outsourcing might just be the 1%'ers.

 

[grant sarver]

I'd say that is fear mongering more than reality.

That's all it is. Yeah, they said the same thing in Great Britain and Sweden, but it never materialized. How many of the super-rich left in the 1950's when the marginal tax rate was over 90%?

 

[grant sarver]

So what's the answer? Just take it from the people who've earned it?

Yes, only we call it "tax policy", makes it legal!

 

[kkm323]

If you mean that the way capitalism is regulated has failed, you may have an argument. But if you mean socialism or communism or other economic regimes are better than capitalism, then I disagree (I do recognize that you said socialism is not the answer, but I am not clear if you mean capitalism as a whole is a failure). I would disagree on that point.

People sometime get too attached to those terms to the point where they become blind and don't see the negative part of their consequences. Capitalism has failed long time ago, after the great depression the government started to play roles in the economy .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Role_of_government and when the gov't interfere its no longer capitalist nation. The problem now is that the gov't interfere so much that its no longer benefiting the people but the big corporate.

 

[Fred Sherman]

Yes, only we call it "tax policy", makes it legal!

But it doesn't make it right. When you remove the incentive to succeed and punish success, then there is no incentive for people to work hard and succeed.

You aren't lifting up the poor with such idiocy. Need proof? The US government could confiscate the ENTIRE wealth of the so-called 1%'ers and it won't do a damned thing. It sure won't help the poor. Want to know why? Because it doesn't even cover this year's budget deficit.

This is the big problem with the loony left. Their class envy has them whipped up into a frenzy to where they can't do basic math.

If this country doesn't get a handle on its massive spending problems, then the only thing the rabble will succeed in is dragging the successful engines of the economy down to their level without improving their lot. When we're all 100% poor, then what?

 

[Fred Sherman]

People sometime get too attached to those terms to the point where they become blind and don't see the negative part of their consequences. Capitalism has failed long time ago, after the great depression the government started to play roles in the economy .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Role_of_government and when the gov't interfere its no longer capitalist nation. The problem now is that the gov't interfere so much that its no longer benefiting the people but the big corporate.

Not exactly, but close. The government regulates the corporations from whom they take campaign contributions. Hmmm.. Purchasing influence and a favorable outcome.

Someone posted the puff video on Canada. Pretty simple stuff, ignoring how Canada benefits from both Britain and the US, but dead on with how they handle campaign financing.

 

[grant sarver]

But it doesn't make it right. When you remove the incentive to succeed and punish success, then there is no incentive for people to work hard and succeed.

Yes, I suppose if they were only looking at making a few hundred million they would just give up. That's like no incentive at all.

 

[grant sarver]

Don't know what to make of this, but thought it was interesting enough to post. From "The New Scientist":
Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world

 

[Rho Delta]

While all the lemmings are distracted with this occupy ********, George Soros is quietly buying up all of the major firearms and ammunition manufacturers in the USA through umbrella companies. Hmmm.

 

[grant sarver]

While all the lemmings are distracted with this occupy bull****, George Soros is quietly buying up all of the major firearms and ammunition manufacturers in the USA through umbrella companies. Hmmm.

Source?

 

[Fred Sherman]

Source?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/freedom.asp

Soros doesn't do anything quietly.

 

[kkm323]

false