Monsanto

[DRE]

And in time you would have a high probability of being sued.

The natural process of the world is cross pollination. The wind, birds, bugs, and water; our natural environment in the planet's ecosystem grantees that seeds and pollen spread genetic material.

This ensures the survival of any plant species, because this is how nature breeds. And is completely unavoidable.

So naturally at some point a Monsanto seed or pollen will make it into your crops. It is unavoidable and unpreventable. And without paying Monsanto their dues, you could be found guilty of copyright and patent infringement.

Our current legal system and laws are not only unconstitutional, but also go against the laws of nature.

Something is very wrong with this country.

That's only if you get caught or someone snitches.

 

[DRE]

Almost all countries are or have introduced a ban on Monsanto's frankencrops. Sure, if you don't look into it much, it sounds like they are doing a noble thing. But the more you learn, the more you become afraid of what you are eating. Your argument about "modified" crops is null and void. Yeah, we've been "modifying" crops for ages, but it was from cross pollination, not what Monsanto is doing. They have these crops that have been genetically altered to give off their own ROUND UP pesticide! That is something you will not find in the wild.

These crops have been linked to an increase in health problems, which is why all these countries are banning it. Why is the US not? Because Monsanto is a company that has their people everywhere within the govt and they are successful at lobbying...putting money in people's pockets to vote in favor of monsanto when these people know that it is not in the interest of their people.

There are a ton more reasons why I try my best to avoid anything made by Monsanto. I buy local, organic, GMO free foods to insure my health in the future and to support the local economy at the same time. I would suggest everyone else do their due diligence and read up as to why you should be avoiding any frankencrops.

Man that's messed up. Now I gotta do my homework... on food.

 

[Adam Howard]

That's only if you get caught or someone snitches.

The problem is you shouldn't have to worry about being caught or being snitched.

But more importantly, it should not be illegal or seemingly illegal through copyright and patents to uphold nature and the natural order of things via our global ecosystem which has been doing this before humanity even existed.

 

[DRE]

The problem is you shouldn't have to worry about being caught or being snitched.

But more importantly, it should not be illegal or seemingly illegal or through copyright and patents to uphold nature and the natural order of things via our global ecosystem which has been doing this before humanity even existed.

How are these farmers getting caught anyway? Does Monsanto send lawyers out to try out random farmers crops or what?

 

[Adam Howard]

How are these farmers getting caught anyway? Does Monsanto send lawyers out to try out random farmers crops or what?

Monsanto has a team of researchers who systematically sweep across the country side collecting and analyzing samples. They even have a tip line people can call.

 

[EQnoble]

Sidenote...They created agent orange (yeah....this is who we need playing mad scientist with our food supply )



If you grow from monsanto seeds...you can't collect use and or sell your seeds without paying royalties...if you do and refuse you will lose everything you have and you will risk even more by trying to help others by telling your story. (and at that i am not even sure you can seed your own crops...you may have to buy from them every time you plant a crop)

If you refuse your records you are blacklisted and eventually when their modified crop which they have PATENTED contaminates all of the seed supply, you will not be able to farm. And when it does contaminate your crop you are responsible...not them and they at that point own you.

They can, they have, and they will take your farm by fining you into oblivion and since most of the farming states have veggie libel laws...it is illegal for you to seek support of the public by publishing documentation even if it is backed by scientific fact.

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How does this company effectively control policy which allows them to do the disgusting things they do...let's take sampling of one reason which is people...and let's figure out why it has been ruled that it poses no conflict of interest...

(source:)
David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

 

[DRE]

Man I'm moving to Trinidad.

 

[turtile]

Sidenote...They created agent orange (yeah....this is who we need playing mad scientist with our food supply )

If you grow from monsanto seeds...you can't collect use and or sell your seeds without paying royalties...if you do and refuse you will lose everything you have and you will risk even more by trying to help others by telling your story. (and at that i am not even sure you can seed your own crops...you may have to buy from them every time you plant a crop)

If you refuse your records you are blacklisted and eventually when their modified crop which they have PATENTED contaminates all of the seed supply, you will not be able to farm. And when it does contaminate your crop you are responsible...not them and they at that point own you.

The first part is pretty obvious. How would they make any money if anyone can buy seed, reproduce their work and sell it to others. Do you think that you should be able to buy a xenForo license, use it on as many sites as you want and not pay the renewal fee and sell the software to other people? Same thing!

Now the second part is wrong if the seed was contaminated from someone else's crops. There should be genetic differences so the farmer should be able to prove his/her innocence.

 

[DRE]

WOOOOWWW

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[smartpixels]

With world population at 9 billion by 2030 what else are you going to eat? This is better than starving to death. Those who criticise such innovation in biotechnology need to provide an alternate solution for feeding the population because you are not going to stop the world population from growing

If ruining the world environment with oil and fossil fuels is okay in the name of development, why not this? I fail to understand the hypocrisy of people. Everything that we use today had an effect on our world and health.

Stop driving your car then the carbon monoxide fumes has more carcinogens than any GM crops.
Even non GM crops use fertilisers. Fertilisers are known carcinogens.
Mutations are normal in animal kingdom and its called evolution.
Its a free market economy and you gotta pay up to use technology. No one is working for free here.

If getting cancer is your worry you need to stop all these industries mentioned in this research paper

http://dceg.cancer.gov/news-events/...12/research-publications/public-health-impact

 

[smartpixels]

A cigarette can lead to cancer, but ironically people can freely say that it can give you cancer.

Carcinogen can lead to cancer, but ironically people aren't exactly free to say that monsanto uses carcinogen which can give you cancer.

Something is very wrong with this country.

Can you name the carcinogen that Monsanto use? Can you reference it.

 

[Jason]

Can you name the carcinogen that Monsanto use? Can you reference it.

Their pesticide lines do, such as alachlor, atrazine, thiodicarb and acetochlo.

Saccharin (used in sweet'n lo), which was one of their flagship products, was listed as a carcinogen until 2001 when new research showed it didn't increase the risk of bladder cancer in humans. There's also aspartame, another sweetener they produced before selling it off, which also isn't listed as carcinogen, but has other known health risks.

 

[EQnoble]

The first part is pretty obvious. How would they make any money if anyone can buy seed, reproduce their work and sell it to others. Do you think that you should be able to buy a xenForo license, use it on as many sites as you want and not pay the renewal fee and sell the software to other people? Same thing!

Now the second part is wrong if the seed was contaminated from someone else's crops. There should be genetic differences so the farmer should be able to prove his/her innocence.

What happens when you ALREADY run a company which provides beans and someone's farm who uses modified seed contaminates yours? Some of these farms they have shut down have a lineage back to the first mass production farms in this country...otherwise know as people who helped secure a future for this country.

Genetic differences or not, they HAVE taken peoples' farms who were not using their seeds and who's farms were contaminated by monsanto garbage. Never mind that before monsanto, these farms did what farmers do...farm...monsanto came in and is monopolizing a form of life and modifying forms of life in a way that is pervasive and WILL spread.

And it is not the same...Xenforo is not a living thing capable of reproduction. Now your comparison might make sense if xenforo could replicate and lets say take over wordpress and inject it's codebase into it with your wordpress install not able to resist the hostile takeover of its future genepool at that point Xenforo would own wordpress under your logic.

Lets make another comparison (It is a closer comparison than yours)...since you think it is ok to patent genetics...say I come up with a genetic modification for humans...and your child is born containing those anomalies , you are cool with me owning your child right? I mean I would let you keep it of course but I need X amount of dollars a year or I will subpoena all of your records of earnings investments and holdings and then have you brought in for questioning because now you are a criminal and if you don't submit you will be charged with fraud...I don't care what you sacrificed for that child...ohh yeah and since I have friends in washington I will also make it illegal for people in your state to openly talk against this policy effectively cutting you off at the knee.

You are cool with that right?

 

[smartpixels]

Genetic differences or not, they HAVE taken peoples' farms who were not using their seeds and who's farms were contaminated by monsanto garbage. Never mind that before monsanto, these farms did what farmers do...farm...monsanto came in and is monopolizing a form of life and modifying forms of life in a way that is pervasive and WILL spread.

I take it that you have never had a bigMac or been to a supermarket.. Local businesses are affected by that too! Supermarket or fast food chains have destroyed small pot shops and food establishments. We don't even have an alternative to paypal and have only two parties to vote to power. We never had choices in life just an illusion and Monsanto is the not the only company using Monopoly.

Right now they are the only company with enough money to find solutions to pressing problems that are fast approaching. Its either devil or the deep blue sea.

World cannot get non-GM all organic food at reasonable prices to feed everyone.May be the rich countries can afford it by plundering the resources of the poor countries.Just found out the resource hunt has already began and has now put farmers in Mali out of job because American farm investors are looking for newer fields to grow their crops, so have got with an agreement with the mali government.

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There are always two sides of a coin again I am not supporting all the things Monsanto does but provide me with an alternative I am more than happy to see Monsanto out of business. For goodness the most cherished company of the decade Apple makes its products on the back of workers in appalling conditions and the junk that electronic products create are 1000 times more dangerous than any GM crop can be!

 

[EQnoble]

I take it that you have never had a bigMac or been to a supermarket..
Local businesses are affected by that too! Supermarket or fast food chains have destroyed small pot shops and food establishments. We don't even have an alternative to paypal and have only two parties to vote to power. We never had choices in life just an illusion and Monsanto is the not the only company using Monopoly.

Actually no...in 30 years of my life I have never had a Big Mac. Super markets are not a monopoly, there are at least 100 different food distribution chains...that is not a monopoly, proof being that in my 9 sq mile town we have a family owned grocery store that only has two locations and they are both here in my state within 12 miles of each other and they do compete with shoprite stop and shop , big Y , pricechopper and a few others all within 1.5 miles of each other.

Right now they are the only company with enough money to find solutions to pressing problems that are fast approaching. Its either devil or the deep blue sea.

They are not finding solutions, they are creating a monopoly using expensive methods that your average (even large companies) cannot pony up the green for. And they are not creating solutions, they are creating a problem in the future...do you think they have tested what happens after 300 generations of mutations of the plants with their hacked code inserted? And if they have...do you really think they will tell you of the negative effects of it? I mean we are talking about a company that is in bed with former and present members of our government and they have had laws created in states in which they have substantial investments to effectively make it illegal for you to have an opinion. If they push for laws to shut us up do you think they really are all about transparency?

World cannot get non-GM all organic food at reasonable prices to feed everyone.May be the rich countries can afford it by plundering the resources of the poor countries.Just found out the resource hunt has already began and has now put farmers in Mali out of job because American farm investors are looking for newer fields to grow their crops, so have got with an agreement with the mali government.

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The reason we can't afford non GM foods here any more is because companies like monsanto are provided a way to punish those who don't play their game. I mean we are talking about a company which when they take you to court have a mechanism which will cost you millions in court fees and in no other case except with them have I ever heard of a company which can take you to court and lose...and you still be responsible for fees with no chance of recovering then. It doesn't cost any more money to grow a REAL soybean than it does to grow a mutant one. But if I give you a better deal when dealing with mutants, inherently the real thing will cost more, creating the illusion that the mutant version is cheaper. It would be like saying everyone who ships stuff pays tolls on X roadways, except company A, at that point you can say it is cheaper to deal with company A even though that is only true because a human choice and selfish greed made it so.

There are always two sides of a coin again I am not supporting all the things Monsanto does but provide me with an alternative I am more than happy to see Monsanto out of business. For goodness the most cherished company of the decade Apple makes its products on the back of workers in appalling conditions and the junk that electronic products create are 1000 times more dangerous than any GM crop can be!

I don't think that is true...since plants reproduce, and damage done by modification of the genes (genes which took millions of years of natural selection) is a reproducible and expandable result...it is an infection that will spread and do things we can't even conceive at this point. If you take mistreated workers and give them fair means of making a living...the problem is over...if you figure out a way to take dangerous manufacturing waste (which is not a product but a byproduct) and neutralize or adsorb it into another process it is also done, modifying the genes changes the future of the plant forever and eventually they will own a piece of every crop because there will be traces of their mess in it.

Yes there is two sides to every coin, I do not argue that, what I am getting at is when you control what gets printed on both sides of the coin it doesn't really matter what's printed on them anymore.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

They are not finding solutions, they are creating a monopoly using expensive methods that your average (even large companies) cannot pony up the green for.

A company that makes a product SO EXPENSIVE no one can afford it wouldn't be in business long. To stay profitable they can' t price themselves out of the market.

It doesn't cost any more money to grow a REAL soybean than it does to grow a mutant one.

Fundamentally incorrect. Monsanto got so big by providing seeds that could yield more with less resources (and therefore less expense) than the normal seeds they already had access to. That is what gave Monsanto seeds value they could charge more for them.

The entire point of modified seeds is to grow faster, larger, with more yield, requiring less (if any) pesticide.

 

[EQnoble]

A company that makes a product SO EXPENSIVE no one can afford it wouldn't be in business long. To stay profitable they can' t price themselves out of the market.

Drug dealers give free samples out until they have people hooked and then once they are the people are a slave to the provider and then the price sky rockets both in money and in health. This is no different in my opinion other than the fact that they are trying to force a third party (farmers) to sell their junk and punishing those who resist at any chance they get.

The entire point of modified seeds is to grow faster, larger, with more yield, requiring less (if any) pesticide.

Steroids make humans grow faster and look like the hulk...they are pretty healthy right? Yeah, that's why they are promoted and allowed by major sporting venues and bodybuilding organizations right?

And again wrong...they are selling seeds which PRODUCE pesticides, which pests are adapting to anyways...and farmers using their beans are now finding that they have to buy pesticides to combat the pests which have adapted and therefor it becomes more expensive anyways. So now we have mutant plants for what will soon be no reason at all...other than monopoly. And the company got big when they and dow chemical produced agent orange for the US govt, they (monsanto) just went from poisoning people in wartime to making it a daily event and everyday business.

 

[Biker]

The amount of misinformation and half truths in this thread is staggering and absolutely mind boggling.

Monsanto does not sell seeds that produces pesticide. Round Up ready soybeans are seeds that have been treated to resist the effects of Round Up when it's applied to the field.

You can tell there's not a single farmer posting in this thread.

 

[Shelley]

The problem is you shouldn't have to worry about being caught or being snitched.

But more importantly, it should not be illegal or seemingly illegal through copyright and patents to uphold nature and the natural order of things via our global ecosystem which has been doing this before humanity even existed.

What next? Patent Gravity?

 

[EQnoble]

The amount of misinformation and half truths in this thread is staggering and absolutely mind boggling.

Monsanto does not sell seeds that produces pesticide. Round Up ready soybeans are seeds that have been treated to resist the effects of Round Up when it's applied to the field.

You can tell there's not a single farmer posting in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#cite_note-77

In 1995 Monsanto's potato plants producing Bt toxin were approved for sale by the Environmental Protection Agency, after having approved by the U.S. FDA, making it the first pesticide-producing crop to be approved in the United States