Forsaken
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Wikipedia's definition isn't much better
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Is there a CMS planned?
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David Thomas
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Define "content", then we'll have ourselves a valid starting point...
Brandon_R
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Content - Anything that is submitted by the user and can be publicly shared.
David Thomas
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I stand corrected. 
But that supposed to be any less vague? If someone came to me and said "I want a product that can take any submission from a user and share it publicly" I would tell them to come back when they actually have an idea for a product rather than generic whims.
It was meant to be a bit more detailed, in that I would explain what it would not do, but the specifics in terms of content, and what said content could be.
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Floris
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In other words: You have no damn clue what a CMS is.
That explanation you 'that is what i meant' is applicable to everything on the net.
twitter is not a cms.
however, you tweet, that's your content, .. and submitted by you and publicly shared
a blog is not a cms
however, your blog entry, that's your content, .. and submitted by you and publicly shared
forum
portal
frontpage
etcy
They all have content, submitted by you, and can be shared ..
Content is NOT a CMS.
I am personally getting pretty damn tired of you pretending to know it all. And I am sorry that therefor every time I point out facts I start to look like I appear to be a know it all ..
Please refrain from assumptions and actually read up on something, study it, play with it, practice, and use it (or decide its over your head and just accept you do not know).
Sorry for sounding rude, it's just getting a bit frustrating that I keep reading wanna-be posts from you, while I know you should know better and simply could read a bit more and investigate, before saying: Oh yeah, that's what I mean, sorry, I am tired, etc..
Forsaken
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Most people don't even need a CMS; they just need a portal where they can customize blocks and content.
A lot of the reason why people confuse what a CMS is, is because people define it so poorly. Yes, it might be a way to manage content... But so is every system you're going to use basically.
I think we really need to figure out what the common consensus of the definition is before we can even request one; just telling Mike and Kier we want one isn't enough, because to many people have a different meaning. Unless we present -what- we need, and some form of feature concept, its just pointless posting that'll keep happening.
Ingenious
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Like a lot of people here I'm a vB 3.x refugee and looking at either vB4 or IPB. Luckily I found this site today, and I really like the look of Xenforo. One thing I liked about vB4 was the ability to have articles and news etc separate from the forum and also the ability to do this all through the website (ie. no coding or FTP access required) and also by other members. IPB seems to have a content system but seems to require some coding knowledge.
For me, a simple article system would suffice, where members with permissions can write articles which incorporate images, content etc. And these are published on the home page and can be put into categories.
However... having spent some time tonight looking over Xenforo I have to say I like the back to basics approach of this design. That is, sticking to being a forum and doing it well - and quickly. The only downside is migration from vB to Xenforo isn't that much of an evolution of my site, since all the other content and articles are still separate from the forum.
For me, a simple article system would suffice, where members with permissions can write articles which incorporate images, content etc. And these are published on the home page and can be put into categories.
However... having spent some time tonight looking over Xenforo I have to say I like the back to basics approach of this design. That is, sticking to being a forum and doing it well - and quickly. The only downside is migration from vB to Xenforo isn't that much of an evolution of my site, since all the other content and articles are still separate from the forum.
Let me clear up a few things, starting with content.
Content is aural, text or visual stimulus designed to inform, yet satisfy or complement knowledge known to the user consuming it. Content is usually presented in mainly text form to educate, or otherwise distribute notion with images and other stimuli to complement and potentially offer a summary of the text, where applicable. It seeks to answer most, if not all of the questions a user may have on a particular subject. Content may contain additional contextual stimulus, such as video. Content doesn't necessarily have to be shared, but in modern applications, it usually is. Content isn't vertical, it is horizontal.
A CMS (Content Management System) is a mechanism in which the content and its media, pertinent to the site, is stored and can be manipulated: added, edited and deleted. These three basic functions form the core of a CMS. Such system may or may not include features to which the content may be presented to the user. However, the system does not offer additional features for specific requirements, such as forums. The system may provide provisions for textual content to be edited, adding in formatting where necessary to promote certain effects to the user. The system does not focus on entertaining a template system or a poll system. The CMS may give the option of how the content is displayed and delivered to the reader. Primarily, the system does not offer a feedback mechanism for content readers to communicate with the content authors/distributors. The platform does not provide social networking or other capabilities. These fall within the grounds of a complete Site Management System.
Take for example, my version of a CMS, as you may have seen earlier in the thread. All that piece of software does is provide a page for a user to add and edit "pages" or content. The editing interface is accompanied with a WYSIWYG editor, just to ensure that any content added is formatted correctly. Fields to define the page's meta information are provided. Basically, the minimum features a page should have to be successful. This is the basic and primary definition of a CMS.
A CMS system is ideal for a person who has little or no technical knowledge of how to create a website, using basic HTML.
Nowadays, a CMS removes this requirement by providing an interface to which the user can publish data; direct from raw stimulus to web, visually formatted pages (as a style). CMSs these days may provide an "asset manager" to exert control over visual and aural stimuli. All CMSs do provide a template system, to which extent, is giving pathway towards a "Site Management System". Take for example, WordPress. It has CMS capabilities, however, it's feature-rich models gives it several other components. An example is plugins. Its plugin capability extends the possibilities to which the core software can be used for. We are seeing embedded forums etc. Wordpress provides both CMS and blogging facilities, the former, in the format of its pages system. Heck, what's tagging?
Unfortunately, these "CMS" devices are becoming ever bloated with extra features. Gone are the older days where the software didn't even know what search engine optimisation was. For some reason, SEO has exploded into the web. Content managers and indeed web masters are becoming lazy in promoting and performing basic SEO. Good SEO stems from the content itself. CMSs are adapting to providing a complete site solution, and not just focussing on content delivery and management itself.
A portal is a little more questionable, however, all it does is summarise and view pertinent site information. A portal organises "content" and displays portions of it on demand. It may contain additional components, such as snippets from the site's blog or forum, social and interactive features such as polls, though some examples stray into the complete website solution domain. The portal is the first thing a visitor is greeted with, if they did not come in via linking from other sites. It is usually the case to make this page as visually appealing as possible, whilst maintaining the fine balance between content summary and stimulus detail.
This is my view on what "content" is, and a brief overview of what a CMS is. I hope I've cleared a few ambiguities floating around from incomplete posts and such.
I do not claim to have such intimate knowledge of systems etc, however, I do not lack the basic understanding to form ideas about them.
Content is aural, text or visual stimulus designed to inform, yet satisfy or complement knowledge known to the user consuming it. Content is usually presented in mainly text form to educate, or otherwise distribute notion with images and other stimuli to complement and potentially offer a summary of the text, where applicable. It seeks to answer most, if not all of the questions a user may have on a particular subject. Content may contain additional contextual stimulus, such as video. Content doesn't necessarily have to be shared, but in modern applications, it usually is. Content isn't vertical, it is horizontal.
A CMS (Content Management System) is a mechanism in which the content and its media, pertinent to the site, is stored and can be manipulated: added, edited and deleted. These three basic functions form the core of a CMS. Such system may or may not include features to which the content may be presented to the user. However, the system does not offer additional features for specific requirements, such as forums. The system may provide provisions for textual content to be edited, adding in formatting where necessary to promote certain effects to the user. The system does not focus on entertaining a template system or a poll system. The CMS may give the option of how the content is displayed and delivered to the reader. Primarily, the system does not offer a feedback mechanism for content readers to communicate with the content authors/distributors. The platform does not provide social networking or other capabilities. These fall within the grounds of a complete Site Management System.
Take for example, my version of a CMS, as you may have seen earlier in the thread. All that piece of software does is provide a page for a user to add and edit "pages" or content. The editing interface is accompanied with a WYSIWYG editor, just to ensure that any content added is formatted correctly. Fields to define the page's meta information are provided. Basically, the minimum features a page should have to be successful. This is the basic and primary definition of a CMS.
A CMS system is ideal for a person who has little or no technical knowledge of how to create a website, using basic HTML.
Nowadays, a CMS removes this requirement by providing an interface to which the user can publish data; direct from raw stimulus to web, visually formatted pages (as a style). CMSs these days may provide an "asset manager" to exert control over visual and aural stimuli. All CMSs do provide a template system, to which extent, is giving pathway towards a "Site Management System". Take for example, WordPress. It has CMS capabilities, however, it's feature-rich models gives it several other components. An example is plugins. Its plugin capability extends the possibilities to which the core software can be used for. We are seeing embedded forums etc. Wordpress provides both CMS and blogging facilities, the former, in the format of its pages system. Heck, what's tagging?
Unfortunately, these "CMS" devices are becoming ever bloated with extra features. Gone are the older days where the software didn't even know what search engine optimisation was. For some reason, SEO has exploded into the web. Content managers and indeed web masters are becoming lazy in promoting and performing basic SEO. Good SEO stems from the content itself. CMSs are adapting to providing a complete site solution, and not just focussing on content delivery and management itself.
A portal is a little more questionable, however, all it does is summarise and view pertinent site information. A portal organises "content" and displays portions of it on demand. It may contain additional components, such as snippets from the site's blog or forum, social and interactive features such as polls, though some examples stray into the complete website solution domain. The portal is the first thing a visitor is greeted with, if they did not come in via linking from other sites. It is usually the case to make this page as visually appealing as possible, whilst maintaining the fine balance between content summary and stimulus detail.
This is my view on what "content" is, and a brief overview of what a CMS is. I hope I've cleared a few ambiguities floating around from incomplete posts and such.
I do not claim to have such intimate knowledge of systems etc, however, I do not lack the basic understanding to form ideas about them.
AndyB
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Thank you vrtsolus. That was an interesting read.
I have never read a single word on a CMS home page because the first thing I do is look for the Forum link and go directly to the forum. It would be interesting to know just how valuable or invaluable a CMS page really is.
I have never read a single word on a CMS home page because the first thing I do is look for the Forum link and go directly to the forum. It would be interesting to know just how valuable or invaluable a CMS page really is.
jonsidneyb
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On my CMS page I had large numbers of comments. I pulled them all and started over after I saw that there was a mod to have what appears on the home page to be identical to what is in a thread.
What has helped is mainly with new users but the old users go back and look to see what the forum is selling.
One thing I had on the front page generated (going to go check) 557 emails. It was a notice I put on the front page for those that were not able to log in after the move from SMF and had not changed their email address so it does get views. That was a lot of password resets. That email address was created only for password reset requests so I know people see it as I am still resetting a couple of passwords a day though I moved back in February.
What has helped is mainly with new users but the old users go back and look to see what the forum is selling.
One thing I had on the front page generated (going to go check) 557 emails. It was a notice I put on the front page for those that were not able to log in after the move from SMF and had not changed their email address so it does get views. That was a lot of password resets. That email address was created only for password reset requests so I know people see it as I am still resetting a couple of passwords a day though I moved back in February.
Been Told
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To me a CMS is first and foremost an article management system. And I don't mean pulling articles from a forum like vBAdvanced (or is vBCMPS? I always mix the names up) or the vB CMS do.
A CMS is a tool with which I can create, edit, publish and delete articles - simple as that.
Of course there could be nice addons like converting posts to articles and so on - but that's just extra stuff.
So yeah, Wordpress is a CMS. So is a forum in a way. But when I talk about a CMS, the above description is the minimum I expect from it.
So the moment someone writes an addon for xenForo which lets me do the above, I've got my CMS.
We can then talk about displaying latest articles on forum home in a widget or something - but again, that's just extra stuff.
A CMS is a tool with which I can create, edit, publish and delete articles - simple as that.
Of course there could be nice addons like converting posts to articles and so on - but that's just extra stuff.
So yeah, Wordpress is a CMS. So is a forum in a way. But when I talk about a CMS, the above description is the minimum I expect from it.
So the moment someone writes an addon for xenForo which lets me do the above, I've got my CMS.
We can then talk about displaying latest articles on forum home in a widget or something - but again, that's just extra stuff.
To me, that describes an article publishing tool, which is a far simpler prospect to produce than something that I would describe as a CMS.
jonsidneyb
Well-known member
Is language to make distinctions in order? The only thing I want in the distant future is an article system while others might want something more robust.
Been Told
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That would be all I need. But, of course, I'll just bow down to the wishes of the majority. Or just learn to program PHP properly. lol
jonsidneyb
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Maybe when the after market creators get to work things can slowly evolve where there are different solutions for people at various levels of wants and needs.
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