I gotta say that is quite considerate of XenForo to halt development out of respect for a developer.
1. Sometimes basic in end user functionality does not mean basic code application and development time.Facts Sheet
hmmm... looks like a free market to me!
- Some very basic and simple things are being charged
- Some excellent addons are FREE!
- Some Addons are over-priced
- Some Addons are under-priced
Must admit I saw a new mod added here today, not trying to knock the releaser or anything, good luck to him selling it. But the paid mod "send an email to ADMIN when a new member joins your forum". Right away I thought. vB3 has that as a bog standard feature built-in by default. Not only that, how can the developers now add that feature into XenForo 1.2 (for example) without feeling like they've just stepped on a mod releasers toes "earnings" doing so. Yet, it's a pretty basic feature in vB3 I'd expect to see there in future releases of XenForo at some point.
Criticizing what people charge for their work is in poor taste, imho.
Feedback is all fine and good, unless it is in poor taste and little more than an insult to the creator of the product (Which many people find acceptable here).No it isn't, it's called being a consumer and giving feedback. If you cry because it's negative, too bad.
People here have the right to charge whatever they want, likewise the consumers here have the right to let them know what they think of that. I've paid for a few mods here and kicked off development of the thread thumbnails plugin, so I consider myself a supporter of people who put time into this, but I also have the right to be critical of others overcharging for generic add ons that would arguably be a core feature by now if xenforo was not being raped by US lawyers & development was continuing smoothly. Right or wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion.... so really you should just deal with it.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. If a developer comes up with a good mod and it's popular, then why wouldn't Xenforo add it to the core? As long as it fits in with their strategy for the product and makes sense to them. Developers would probably get upset and not make any more mods. How do other forum software handle this issue? When a good idea comes along, it would be great for Xenforo to be able to use it, without fear of developers hurt feelings or stepped-on toes.
Why don't we start taking this kind of feedback serious and acknowledge bad decisions and try to learn from them?
I warned for this before and after the Resources were implemented but no one listened. Now new customers give the feedback that could wake people up about the past mistakes and all they get is 'learn to code' as if everyone is interested in becoming a coder. This is about creating an appealing forum community, based on voluntarily help and sharing. It is not too late yet to change policy and adopt a system that can create a more competitive add-on offering. Or choose to ignore it and don't be surprised if potential customers see this as a major letdown and look elsewhere. It's really that simple.
BTW the free market argument is misunderstood here, this is about how a company can create the best possible environment to allow for its own success. The forum software market is very competitive, so the business model needs to adapt to that reality for the company to be able to grow. Meaning if you can't keep up with the number of free vs paid add-ons generated by your competitors, something needs to change in order to stay ahead.
He's not arguing give and take. He is saying the current system is not the best environment to create a competitive marketplace. The claim is well-formed. Hear him out. Maybe he has an idea to improve on the current system.
It is not too late yet to change policy and adopt a system that can create a more competitive add-on offering.
What's not competitive about it?He is saying the current system is not the best environment to create a competitive marketplace. The claim is well-formed.
If someone decides to share with you an add-on they wrote and then decide to extend/improve it by spending countless hours working on it in order to incorporate new ideas and features, why should they not get compensated for their hard work (if they so desire) by providing this new and improved version as a paid add-on?i think the aspect of the current system i dont dig so much is that it invites people to create bait-and-switch addons; releasing them for free then changing them to paid once the hook is in.
i think the aspect of the current system i dont dig so much is that it invites people to create bait-and-switch addons; releasing them for free then changing them to paid once the hook is in. add to this the policy that i cannot post a fix for a broken addon or update an abandoned addon... it starts to look pretty bleak.
the cherry on top is the moderating of pretty much any dissent or negativity concerning an addon, addon policies, or even a coder themselves. how this thread has gone under the radar is anyones guess.
I heard him out alright. He is talking about voluntarily help and sharing when he is only taking and I haven''t seen him share one single thing. The only thing that gets improved here according to that post is not the system but himself and people like him who want everything for free without any regard for people hard work and time.
Anyway, I simply voiced my opinion which I think I am completely entitled to express it like that user expressed his.
What's not competitive about it?
I wish the Resource Manager was a bit more robust than it currently is. I wish it used a hybrid of the Wordpress and Apple App Store models where all add-ons are automatically installed within the backend of the AdminCP (no downloading or installing files, automatic updates, etc).
Then all add-ons that choose to be paid apps are paid for through a XenForo payment system, and XF keeps 30% of the sale. This will lead to decreased pirating of the software since only licensed users will be able to access the Resource Manager, increased add-on sales for devs since add-ons are so simple to install, and increased interest in the XF platform.