California Case Update

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Claudio Ba said:
Shamil, nice to see you!

Could you please explain the actual situation in a few words? I´m not familiar with court words and that staff (I´m not an English native speaker) and for me is complicated to understand what is going on this case. I hope to see XF win, but there are many posts talking about "if XF lose the case"...so I would like to know how this is going.

Thank you!
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I will try to write a small summary of my opinion of current event.
 
Paul M said:
Just who exactly are you referring to by "the IB staff" ?
The day to day staff involved in vBulletin are not going against anybody, they have no more say in this than anyone else.

As to winning "the war" - no matter what the outcome, the only real winners will be the lawers.
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Still, the staff in a way is complicit. They know what's going on, they know very well the case is BS, yet they decide to keep working for this unethical management. They don't have to have more say than anyone else, they have the option to just leave. The fact that they don't is on itself a vote for IB. I will tell you very clearly: knowing what's going on, as an employee I would personally resign at IB today.

You are right about that last comment.
 
Klaas said:
Still, the staff is complicit. They know what's going on, they know very well the case is BS, yet they decide to keep working for this unethical management. They don't have to have more say than anyone else, they have the option to just leave. The fact that they don't is on itself a vote for IB.
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With all due respect Klaas, you can not hold that over them, especially in todays climate. Walking out of a job without any certainty of a new one is simply not a viable option for 99% of people.

The same arguements could be made for almost any large company and its ethical behaviours, take Apple or Samsung for example, workers in the factory making phones with horrible illnesses and suicide jumpers.

Does that mean every employee at samsung or apple should walk out aswell?
 
Klaas said:
Still, the staff in a way is complicit. They know what's going on, they know very well the case is BS, yet they decide to keep working for this unethical management. They don't have to have more say than anyone else, they have the option to just leave. The fact that they don't is on itself a vote for IB. I will tell you very clearly: knowing what's going on, as an employee I would personally resign at IB today.
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Im afraid you are talkling complete and utter nonsense. Im glad you can afford to just give up your job, must be nice in that fluffy little fantasy land.
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, where jobs dont actually just fall off trees, we dont give them up simply because we may not agree with everything our employer does.
 
Paul M said:
Im afraid you are talkling complete and utter nonsense. Im glad you can afford to just give up your job, must be nice in that fluffy little fantasy land.
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, where jobs dont actually just fall off trees, we dont give them up simply because we may not agree with everything our employer does.
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But if you aren't looking, he's right. You can't use the job market as an excuse for working for an unethical company, if you aren't looking.
 
There are ethical companies with more than 1 employee/owner? Hell, even in my group of friends, we all have varied versions of "ethics", we just don't stray far enough to piss each other off from the whole which is why we remain friends. "SIMILAR" ethics... Not exact, ideal or 100% in agreement.

There are 100,000 people in my company, there's no way I'm going to quit my job because someone above me (which there are many in this size of a company) does something I don't agree with.

People have families and children to feed, stop telling people how they should run their lives and focus on your own glass houses.
 
Fred Sherman said:
But if you aren't looking, he's right. You can't use the job market as an excuse for working for an unethical company, if you aren't looking.
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Aren't you like some super secret agent, military, system admin guy, or some nonesense, I can never get your story straight due to how many variations there are.

The point remains, you should not tell people to just quit a company because of the way their higherups acts. It's very hard to find jobs now adays, it could take months for someone to find a replacement. Are they just as bad as their bosses for not being able to find a job? No.
 
could someone please give a short update on what's going on ,
i mean
when will the next curt meeting will be
what happen in the last one
thanks
 
aiman.h.kallaf said:
could someone please give a short update on what's going on ,
i mean
when will the next curt meeting will be
what happen in the last one
thanks
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In short, a variety of claims against XenForo have been dismissed, others are going to trial, these can been seen here: http://shamil.co.uk/vbulletin-solutions-vs-xenforo-limited-etc/us-claims-map.html (this may be out of date though?)

The judge has now set a trial date for January 15th 2013 at which point all the cards will hopefully come out on the table and the matter will hopefully be resolved once and for all.

At this point there is no further information on when something will next happen aside from the trial on the 15th Jan, so we are just waiting to see what happens next.
 
Of all, the following got my attention:
Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage
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From IB point of view -
  1. What were the intentions of XF to interfere with what/whom?
  2. What Economic Advantage did XF have or get (by releasing their software?) ?
Can someone here talk a bit about this?
 
TheBigK said:
Of all, the following got my attention:


From IB point of view -
  1. What were the intentions of XF to interfere with what/whom?
  2. What Economic Advantage did XF have or get (by releasing their software?) ?
Can someone here talk a bit about this?
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This particular claim leans on the assertion that XenForo has no right (be it for copyright or contractual reasons) to be in the market, and by being a direct competitor to vBulletin, and potentially taking customers from vBulletin that they are interfering with the customers what VB may have otherwise gained.

The economic advantage is that you have to buy XenForo, and by purchasing XenForo you are unlikely to buy vBulletin.
 
Slavik said:
This particular claim leans on the assertion that XenForo has no right (be it for copyright or contractual reasons) to be in the market, and by being a direct competitor to vBulletin, and potentially taking customers from vBulletin that they are interfering with the customers what VB may have otherwise gained.

The economic advantage is that you have to buy XenForo, and by purchasing XenForo you are unlikely to buy vBulletin.
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So they agree that XF buyers won't buy vBulletin - because it's an inferior product :D.

Thank you for the explanation. If that's what it means, XF's chances of winning are better in my opinion.
 
"Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage"

Also known as competing in the free market. Are these guys serious? Why is this judge not focussing on evidence for anything, and if no evidence is given then why even continue and waste more time and money? I guess you have to be a lawyer to understand that.
 
dutchbb said:
"Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage"

Also known as the free market. Are these guys serious? Why is this judge not focussing on evidence for anything, and if no evidence is given then why even continue and waste more time and money? I guess you have to be a lawyer to understand that.
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Lawyers wanna make money.
 
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