California Case Update

[John L.]

You know that it's possible that would no longer be able to use Xenforo right?

In any such case I would imagine IB would not be getting my business or quite a few others. If I had no choice but to choose another software I would more than likely move to IPB. My time with vBulletin is over, it does not meet my needs any longer. I speak for no one but myself when I say that vBulletin 4 was the absolute biggest waste of my time and money.

 

[John]

Incidentally, just went to Shamils website to see it's been hacked lol.

Indeed it has lol...someone has a thing for Shamil it appears

 

[Joeychgo]

How so? They going to come to my house, physically knock me down, and wipe my servers? I can do anything I want. IB has no power other than sending out a message telling people to cease and desist.

Ever heard of a court order? All I'm saying is - dont count your chickens before they hatch...

 

[Slavik]

Ever heard of a court order? All I'm saying is - dont count your chickens before they hatch...

I bet you make scrambled eggs first.

 

[Pereira]

Even if XenForo were found guilty, no legal impact would be incurred on the consumer for the negligence of the company. At most we're talking about an injunction which would probably shut XenForo down after all legal costs have been covered.

The most telling thing for me is that XenForo are actually fighting the case. You don't try to fight a legal case unless you have some reason to believe you can actually win it. Especially when you're a small company only starting out. To do so would mean huge financial burdens not only on the business itself, but on the owners personal lives as well.

 

[Cal]

Ever heard of a court order? All I'm saying is - dont count your chickens before they hatch...

A court order? Whats that going to do to me? The answer is nothing at all. IB does not have the money to litigate against everyone using Xen in the world. Court Orders to the general public are scare tactics with very little power attached to them, and even still that very little power is hardly ever used. Consider me completely unworried rofl

 

[Kevin]

Always amusing when people say that they aren't trying to start any drama when it is obvious that it is exactly what they are trying to do. Repeatedly.

 

[tickedon]

Indeed it has lol...someone has a thing for Shamil it appears

Indeed. I'm thinking ex-customer/partner/supplier based on "2010- Whipping boy, Conman at ATPL Limited."!

Hopefully he'll be on soon to sort it all out

 

[AdamD]

Incidentally, just went to Shamils website to see it's been hacked, lol.

Not exactly something to laugh at.

 

[Slavik]

Not exactly something to laugh at.

I found the creative re-write of it rather amusing. And given how Shamil is a reseller host he probably had a daily backup to fix it within minutes once he spots it.

Probably makes me a horrible person and all that.

 

[Digital Doctor]

Xenforo loses.

(1) IB's goal is not to win, they don't really have a case. The goal is to squish a startup company. Especially because they know their vB4.x through vB5.x series is terrible.
(2) When I bought xenforo it was a legal product. I'll use my legal product as long as I want. There are enough Xenforo users out there (with plenty of skills) that if Xenforo ends tomorrow and never releases XF 1.2, so underground version of it will continue for *YEARS*, and I'll help fund that version.

Update: added vB5.x

 

[ragtek]

There are enough Xenforo users out there (with plenty of skills) that if Xenforo ends tomorrow and never releases XF 1.2, so underground version of it will continue for *YEARS*, and I'll help fund that version.

people said the same about vB 3.x

 

[Shamil]

A backup is already being restored.

All I can say is "disgruntled employee" who authenticated without permission to perform alien operations.

 

[Forsaken]

Always amusing when people say that they aren't trying to start any drama when it is obvious that it is exactly what they are trying to do. Repeatedly.

Especially when people know he's part of the clique that was starting rumors on other websites.

 

[Alien]

All I can say is "disgruntled employee" who authenticated without permission to perform alien operations.

Oooooh! My favorite!

 

[SneakyDave]

A backup is already being restored.

All I can say is "disgruntled employee" who authenticated without permission to perform alien operations.

Might want to update your SSL certificate too, it's been expired over a month.

 

[Shamil]

Oooooh! My favorite!

Might want to update your SSL certificate too, it's been expired over a month.

Yep, all part of non-performance

 

[Brent W]

Especially when people know he's part of the clique that was starting rumors on other websites.

He is a self promoter who enjoys long walks on the beach with ForumCon advertisers.

 

[Anthony Parsons]

What if the court / jury finds Xenforo, et al are guilty / liable of something? What will you say / do then?

You're baiting an argument IMHO, which is typical Joey posting style.

I suspected exactly what I thought from your question, as you continued your line of questioning, which is pushing towards an argumentative area of hypotheticals and "what if's," none of which anyone, including yourself Joey, can answer or pass judgement upon.

The court can implement any number of things as it is a civil case, however; you keep forgetting one very important aspect of this entire case... being the US does not have overall jurisdiction over a UK company, and any US judgement can only affect US sales at the end of the day. IB would have to take it into a UK court to go after the UK directors and their assets (Xenforo being one such asset)... a US court does not have that jurisdiction.

You may as well ask, "what will the weather be on the 3rd Sep, 2012?" That is as much a guess as what could come from your question, to be perfectly honest. You're a VB / IB lover, avid supporter, and here to post ridiculous, inflammatory statements only it seems.

 

[Slavik]

Well said Anthony.

I don't think I could have been so restrained in saying the same.