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Makes me wonder if a large PR campaign about this lawsuit and how IB operates, would have any affect?
Or would that only hinder or make the case worse?
 
I've been looking into filing a class action lawsuit against VBSI/IB. I'm sure that would give the standing necessary to add literally hundreds of friends of the court testimonies. Timing was the major impediment to that, but that seems to be about to change. Anyone else interested, email me at fsherman@gmail.com.

For obvious reasons, its not something we can coordinate/discuss here.
 
SchmitzIT said:
The biggest threat to vB is Bob Brisco IB. But rather than admitting that, IB instead chose to take out their incompetence on the new kid on the block.
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IB is not a threat, that term implies no action has yet occurred. Vb has been on a self destructive course for at least 30 months . At one time there was no real competition, yet the fact that they started this litigation points an arrow directly at the real contender and threat to the position on the pedestal of top dog in forum software.

After waiting a year after purchasing my vb license and four months from the time I made the mistake of upgrading debilitating my community with the install of 4.1.0 . I started looking elsewhere for a solution and joined the forum here. You are dead on that IB is using bully tactics, not only was it in bad taste to announce it on the support board it was also very stupid, that act alone lead me to buy xenforo in Oct 2010. It was over the next year that I truly learned why so many vb veterans held the developers here in such high esteem.
 
Say IB does win. What happens to the US customers as it sounds like anyone but the US may be fine pending the UK court results?
 
AzzidReign said:
Say IB does win. What happens to the US customers as it sounds like anyone but the US may be fine pending the UK court results?
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In short, it's manifestly clear that there isn't any copyright issue. IB hasn't been able to point to anything that is infringement other than making an allegation for the sake of lawsuit. That much is manifestly clear. I'm more worried about the apocalypse predicted for later this year than I am about this issue.
 
TheLaw said:
In short, it's manifestly clear that there isn't any copyright issue. IB hasn't been able to point to anything that is infringement other than making an allegation for the sake of lawsuit. That much is manifestly clear. I'm more worried about the apocalypse predicted for later this year than I am about this issue.
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I'll take my chances with the apocalypse over dealing with Kier's problem with IB any day :censored:

So...does this mean if I buy a license now, and the verdict rains in against xF...what does that mean for me as a US license holder? Do I have to convert to a different system? Do I just not get anymore updates from xF?
 
AzzidReign said:
I'll take my chances with the apocalypse over dealing with Kier's problem with IB any day :censored:

So...does this mean if I buy a license now, and the verdict rains in against xF...what does that mean for me as a US license holder? Do I have to convert to a different system? Do I just not get anymore updates from xF?
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It depends entirely on the judge's judgement really. They could cease sales in the US. I'm not sure if they can prevent existing license holders from running it (I'd imagine not).
 
AzzidReign said:
I'll take my chances with the apocalypse over dealing with Kier's problem with IB any day :censored:

So...does this mean if I buy a license now, and the verdict rains in against xF...what does that mean for me as a US license holder? Do I have to convert to a different system? Do I just not get anymore updates from xF?
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It means we become xF Underground >_>...............and make a forum revolution!
 
I wish I could explain why I and others feel so passionately about this lawsuit, I guess it's because we know IB is basically a large, internet bully and is quite happy with making crappy products, whereas, Kier and Co are the complete opposite, they're the holy paladins of the software world, hehe.

I think us passionate folk, know the lawsuit is based on greed and to pass the blame at their own failure onto people who left, because they couldn't stand how IB ran things.

It's just a shame that Kier and co are having to go through all this stress and turmoil, because of a bully

In a real/ideal world, the bully doesn't win and can be stopped before it goes to far, it's just a shame the same doesn't apply with companies.
 
AzzidReign said:
Yeah...well this is America. Bad guys win in court all the time with minimal, questionable "proof".
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But, as the old saying goes, just because somebody wins a battle doesn't mean that they've also won the war. No matter what happens with either lawsuit, I, and I think it would be safe to say, others along with me, will no longer be vBulletin customers when this is all done & over with.
 
AzzidReign said:
So...does this mean if I buy a license now, and the verdict rains in against xF...what does that mean for me as a US license holder? Do I have to convert to a different system? Do I just not get anymore updates from xF?
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Even assuming the worst, it is highly unlikely that any verdict would conclude that any copyright infringement took place - the only smoke and mirrors keeping this lawsuit up seems to be business related issues, e.g. non-compete, non-disclosure. As such, your license would not be affected. I'd sooner place a large bet that the Dolphins are going to win the Super Bowl in 2012. If I was in any way concerned, I wouldn't have bought several licenses and plan on adding a few more... some of which will show how not worried I am about copyright issues.
 
AdamD said:
I wish I could explain why I and others feel so passionately about this lawsuit,
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I would take a stab at it saying this...XenForo is the answer for a lot of people who had questions for years asking when they were going to get something reliable that just works. People defend what they love.

Mix that in with the empathy that any person with heart would feel, and in my case anyway, I imagine actually being able to code something that can feed my family and then someone comes along and tries to smack the gogurt out of their mouths...

I think a lot of people are passionate about the outcome of this case at the very least because even under immense pressure...the devs here maintain their dedication to this software and delivering things we are asking for.

However... every single one of us here has a different story...and therefor a slightly different reason for ending up in the punch bowl that some other company is looking to spike.

Would be interesting to see an article from a bunch of members describing in their own words why they were attracted to this software...and why they are still here writing about it.
 
grant sarver said:
"All the time"? Then you should be able to cite some examples.
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Sorry, I didn't think I had to speak 100% literal. We all know our court system is quite corrupt. It's almost bad as paypal and letting scammers win disputes and honest businessmen and women suffer because of it.
 
TheLaw said:
Even assuming the worst, it is highly unlikely that any verdict would conclude that any copyright infringement took place - the only smoke and mirrors keeping this lawsuit up seems to be business related issues, e.g. non-compete, non-disclosure. As such, your license would not be affected.
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I agree, its pretty obvious that no direct copying took place, the onus, as I understand it, comes down to IB prooving that Kier & Mike used the development ideas for the vb4 rewrite that never happened for the basis of XenForo. This is where it gets technical.

But even if XF lost that aspect of it, XF isn't going to suddenly be owed by IB, that would be totally wrong - IB didn't pay for the development and it wasn't done on IB's time. It would be like a team of engineers building a car and then a judge awarding the car & all its designs to Ford because the engineers used to work for Ford and they briefly jotted down a bullet point list of features a new car should have, which Ford then cancelled.

That for me, at least - and I hasten to add, I'm no legal expert, by from my lay perspective, that's the grey area.

It ultimately comes down to what evidence IB can demonstrate and how well its discredited by XF's legal team.

Although I have to say, XF's legal team has done a sterling job on that aspect so far.

Sadly, only time will tell on this.
 
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