Reeve of Shinra
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Its not that lack of communication about an ongoing lawsuit that concerns most people, its the lack of communication (and action) around development.
California Case Update
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D.O.A.
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This thread sucks.
someone explain to me why a non-shareholder of a company is entitled to a report from the company owners on the status of a lawsuit? kindness? You're the owner of a product, there were no promises made beyond that. Even if kier did post he's no longer developing until this resolved, seen as he's probably feeding himself/family another way now, what will that prove to most of you? So many people hanging around whining about the hundred bucks you've possibly lost, it's been two years and you still use xenforo - that's your problem, you should have done something about it a year ago. Get it into your heads you are entitled to nothing but updates and a yearly license, you're now the owners of a product that is in a legal limbo for the unforseen future. Don't let the community like nature of this forum confuse you that you are entitled to a personal explanation or status update in a post other then the company statement ashley made in the past.
Welcome to the business world, children. You don't always get what you want.
someone explain to me why a non-shareholder of a company is entitled to a report from the company owners on the status of a lawsuit? kindness? You're the owner of a product, there were no promises made beyond that. Even if kier did post he's no longer developing until this resolved, seen as he's probably feeding himself/family another way now, what will that prove to most of you? So many people hanging around whining about the hundred bucks you've possibly lost, it's been two years and you still use xenforo - that's your problem, you should have done something about it a year ago. Get it into your heads you are entitled to nothing but updates and a yearly license, you're now the owners of a product that is in a legal limbo for the unforseen future. Don't let the community like nature of this forum confuse you that you are entitled to a personal explanation or status update in a post other then the company statement ashley made in the past.
Welcome to the business world, children. You don't always get what you want.
ENF
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PACER Updates for: 12/10/2012
View/Download Documents:
#158 - Summary Judgement Motion [January 7, 2013 - 10AM]
#158-1 - Declaration - Sullivan (12 Pages)
#158-2 - Declaration - Darby (37 Pages)
#158-3 - Declaration - Deitchle (4 Pages)
#158-4 - Exhibit - Deitchle 1-5 (28 Pages)
#158-5 - Exhibit - Deitchle 6-8 (39 Pages)
#158-6 - Exhibit - Deitchle 9-15 (75 Pages)
#158-7 - Exhibit - Deitchle 16 (88 Pages)
#158-8 - Proposed Order (2 Pages)
#159 - Defendants' Statement of Uncontroverted Facts & Conclusions of Law
#160 - Manual Filing Notice (sealed exhibits)
Most all of these documents cannot be attached here due to size. Please click on the document number to view them.
Docket Text #158 said:
Docket Text #159 said:
Docket Text #160 said:
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#158 - Summary Judgement Motion [January 7, 2013 - 10AM]
#158-1 - Declaration - Sullivan (12 Pages)
#158-2 - Declaration - Darby (37 Pages)
#158-3 - Declaration - Deitchle (4 Pages)
#158-4 - Exhibit - Deitchle 1-5 (28 Pages)
#158-5 - Exhibit - Deitchle 6-8 (39 Pages)
#158-6 - Exhibit - Deitchle 9-15 (75 Pages)
#158-7 - Exhibit - Deitchle 16 (88 Pages)
#158-8 - Proposed Order (2 Pages)
#159 - Defendants' Statement of Uncontroverted Facts & Conclusions of Law
#160 - Manual Filing Notice (sealed exhibits)
Most all of these documents cannot be attached here due to size. Please click on the document number to view them.
Jake Bunce
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Fixed link for 158-7. You were missing the "." in ".pdf"
Adam Howard
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I smell VICTORY for XenForo 
(as a matter of an opinion)
(as a matter of an opinion)
Jake Bunce
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I want his job.
Digital Doctor
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Source - http://xflegal.com/xfl/2012/xfl-158.pdf
I hope all is well with Mike and Kier.
The rollercoaster ride that is Xenforo has certainly bruised all passengers aboard.
The impatient have said that the Xenforo rollercoaster has derailed, but the vast majority are enjoying their great Xenforo forums and look forward to brighter days ahead.
2012 was a very rough year.
which will make the 2013 ride to victory that much sweeter.
(Not to mention it's not hard to outdue the other rollercoasters that are either slow and ugly or basically DOA.).
ManagerJosh
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holy cow. I like Pamela. At the beginning, four pages of research through major cases and statues.
Ouch..... burnnn....
Ouch..... burnnn....
ENF
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Thanks Jake, I had to post and run this morning.
cclaerhout
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100 000$...
That's crazy.
ManOnDaMoon
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That's standard consulting costs. Senior consultant approximately costs $1000 a day. 3 months work, and you've got for 100k.
ManagerJosh
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You are seriously underpricing us... $1000.00 a day? That's only $125.00 an hour for an eight hour period..
ManOnDaMoon
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Senior != Manager. And "approximately" means it's... an approximation.
EDIT :
Cause this is off topic, I don't want to post in reply, but the hierarchy I use where I work is the following:
Junior Consultant < "Confirmed" Consultant < Senior < Manager < Senior Manager < Associate
With rates starting from 300$ a day for Junior Consultants, and finishing too high to tell for associates.
ENF
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Senior != Manager. And "approximately" means it's... an approximation.
It depends on the specific industry and targeted business. $200 USD/Hour is the minimum within the industry I work in (risk). The upper Senior Managers have billable rates of $600 USD/Hour on average. (I'm converting yen to USD, but you get the idea.)
ENF
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Makes my $75 an hour rates seem reasonable
On topic, just read through all ~ 300 pages... quite something to digest.
However I think the Judge will deny the motion in favor of getting it to trial.
OT: Don't want to open a can of worms, but essentially, the global financial problems drove up demand in our field of work. During this year and going into 2013, this is the busiest I have ever been.
BOT: I finally read through a lot of those inquiry sessions included in the last set of documents. It all just feels like a big waste of time and money, which I guess is the whole point. This case however, makes me wish I had taken more classes in college about law and legal procedure.
dutchbb
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Manually checking matching code? I though there's software to check this automatically. Either way, what a ridiculous waste of money. I said it before but IB deserves to go down hard.
I wonder how many times the $100,000 consultant got excited when he saw:
In both products...
"OMG THEY COPIED!"
* Writes another $10,000 invoice.
I love KAM's legal defense. Whenever I read it I go away thinking.. oooh... burn... That's gotta hurt IB. And we all know the truth hurts.
I'm with Slavik. I also think this will be denied and it will go to trial. But, as ever, good luck for Jan 7th. My dad's birthday.
PHP:
foreach ($threads AS $thread)"OMG THEY COPIED!"
* Writes another $10,000 invoice.
I love KAM's legal defense. Whenever I read it I go away thinking.. oooh... burn... That's gotta hurt IB. And we all know the truth hurts.
I'm with Slavik. I also think this will be denied and it will go to trial. But, as ever, good luck for Jan 7th. My dad's birthday.
lazy llama
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So would that $100k be part of the costs that IB would try to get awarded against XenForo in the (unlikely) event that the Judge decides in their favour?
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