ChemicalKicks
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You can pick up an Android device for a mere £100
You can install any APK from any source without flashing/jailbreaking
You got me on 3
Apple products and pricing
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You can pick up an Android device for a mere £100
You can install any APK from any source without flashing/jailbreaking
You got me on 3
Fred Sherman
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My upgrade from Snow Leopard to Lion took 10 minutes and cost $25. I did it over the internet and didn't have to upgrade any hardware and all previously installed software works. Its never locked up on me once, never rebooted for no reason and I've never seen a blue screen of death.
Factor in the cost of software, the ease of use and the lack of downtime and your argument falls right apart.
Do you know why someone might tightly control something? Because they've made something extraordinary and they're afraid others becoming involved who don't care as much will turn it to crap.
If you need an example, turn on your PC.
Taylor J
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Sorry to say but my PC runs smooth and fine.
grant sarver
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And if you can figure out how to make it do "what you need". Trouble is, it's human nature to reach a conclusion first, then find supporting evidence.
whynot
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Same here. Well,it cost more than $500.
"Its never locked up on me once, never rebooted for no reason and I've never seen a blue screen of death"
Fred Sherman
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Then I suggest you call the your PC manufacturer and Microsoft. Kind of like a million mile Ford truck - its an oddity they'll want to study.
But if you're going to tell me that you think you'll be able to upgrade to Windows 8 in 10 minutes, I've got my hand on the BS flag, ready to toss it on the field.
Taylor J
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I upgraded to Windows 7 in about 30 minutes, to be honest, I don't really care how long an update takes.
Not trying to start a war just saying that not all PC's do what he stated.
Apple vs the world? There's an increasingly small group of haters, if you mean those. Also there really are differences in quality between computers, regardless of who's sitting in front of it. What I don't understand is that everyone expects that there are real quality and price differences in almost every product out there, but when it comes to computers, everything is expected to be equal. And if there's one brand with a higher price tag, we get people acting all crazy. Strange behavior to say the least.
On-topic: hope he gets well, and Apple has enough good people to handle the loss of him as a CEO, although I'm sure he will be missed.
Peggy
in memoriam 2016
Nope I wasn't being arrogant at all, although I can see that it may have come across that way. I, too, learn every single day in many different ways. I think the only way we stop learning is when we die.
The one and only reason that I am loyal to the iPhone is that it does every single thing I need for it to do. I have tried many, many phones over the years and there's not another one that I can say that about.
So, I guess I'm stupid.
Vincent
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i have almost all of apple's product they're entertaining, but all of my hard work is on my pc
It's too shiny, you just had to buy it
And of course a Mac Mini is a nice entertaining toy for the baby
Anthony Parsons
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We have 2 x 27" with custom specs, 1 x 21.5", 2TB Time Machine / Airport, 27" LED dual monitor and 10TB NAS recommended by Apple, made by Drobo.... then we also have iPad and iPhones, and will replace our Dell notebook with macbook once it breaks. The iPad we tend to use more nowadays out and about, as its smaller, lighter, longer battery life, less to carry around and achieves notebook tasks on the run without the bulky hassle of a notebook itself. So we may even just scrap the notebook when it goes and get more iPads instead of a macbook.
If you do it smart when purchasing with Apple, you actually get all products purchased at the same time, under one purchase of an Apple care warranty. So you buy it all at once, pay only one extended warranty cost, then get all your goods covered for 3 years completely. They do other deals for businesses, which is how we purchased all of ours.
Less specs, more complicated systems, that have during the past three years required parts replacements, cost $12k 3 years ago, we did with Apple much cheaper, far better performance, less clutter, no cabling required, etc etc, all covered by 3 year full warranty, fixed or replaced within 24hrs business days.
We now have more office space as well, as we no longer have system + monitors, its an all-in-one solution.
Yes... you can do a lot of things cheaply... but quality does not come cheaply, regardless how you try and spin it.
Jaxel... you were asking for donations on this very forum because your computer broke... and you struggled to perform software development, which I believe is your specialist area. So please don't be offended when I say... I'm sorry, but that cheap attitude cannot be given in business and clients told they will have to wait because a computer is down in order to build it for a $1000, and takes days / weeks to repair / parts replacement vs. Apple, same day either fixed, or replaced, no extended downtime beyond 24hrs.
Computer shops dealing in custom built computers I have found extremely terrible for service compared to Apple. I have not to date found a shop outside of Apple that will have a computer repaired same day... not here in Australia anyway. They're all too busy and state, days, then once you've handed it over, ringing daily asking where it is, they get to it. Even then, have gotten systems home and the same issue occurred... very poor service from most PC stores.
Not sure anyone here would be real happy if XF staff said, "hey, sorry everyone, but in order to save $$$, there is no software development for the next couple of weeks as our computers crashed and we're looking for the cheapest solution possible." There is a time for cheap, there is a time for quality... and with Apple, you now get affordable with high quality... its a personal choice.
Problem is... everyone thinks they're an expert computer builder with zero qualifications or electrical knowledge... they just look it up on the Internet and give it a shot, do it, as its easy to do buying parts and putting them together these days... but what parts work with what best, knowing about cabling resistance and impedance has, cutting costs on buying one cable over the other, one hard drive over another, RAM, the list goes on... again, comes back to electrical engineering degree to know the true facts and math to work out the best build specifications to create the least I/O issues possible... the list is significant.
Its like people thinking they're a web designer because they can upload Joomla or WP, install a template and customise it... now calling themselves a web designer and SEO expert.
A mate of mine is an officer in the Army, got into building PC's in his spare time... did it for years... zero actual qualifications, just read online and did it... he forever had computers in pieces on his desk, changing some fan, some part, because it failed, something over-heated because he lacked true knowledge about computer building. He no longer builds PC's and concentrates on what he knows best...
Apple... no issues, no false promises, no BS that interferes in any business downtime.
Id like to see how you define quality? This PC I built myself nearly 3 and a half years ago or so. It cost me £2000 back then, and when I check against current macs, it is still more powerul than any imac they have listed, and just about on par with the 8core imac pro which currently costs £2800...
So... 3 years on... apple are selling systems I was building 3 years ago for..more?
Maybe its time to break this coversation off into a proper mac vs pc thread
Jason
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Apple's success has little to do with hardware, anyway. To the naive, Apple seems like a hardware company, but it's really a software company monetized through hardware sales, just as Google is a software company monetized through advertising.
Are Apple's products overpriced? Sure, especially if you're comparing hardware. But as Steve himself has pointed out, differentiation through software is the key to all of Apple's products. That's where they excel. Whether it's someone's cup of tea or not is irrelevant, people are willing to pay for the experience Apple provides. If people were willing to pay the same prices for the PC experience, you'd see them marked up as well.
Are Apple's products overpriced? Sure, especially if you're comparing hardware. But as Steve himself has pointed out, differentiation through software is the key to all of Apple's products. That's where they excel. Whether it's someone's cup of tea or not is irrelevant, people are willing to pay for the experience Apple provides. If people were willing to pay the same prices for the PC experience, you'd see them marked up as well.
ChemicalKicks
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I can tell you've photoshopped the beer in FAKE
turtile
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Id like to see how you define quality? This PC I built myself nearly 3 and a half years ago or so. It cost me £2000 back then, and when I check against current macs, it is still more powerul than any imac they have listed, and just about on par with the 8core imac pro which currently costs £2800...
So... 3 years on... apple are selling systems I was building 3 years ago for..more?
Maybe its time to break this coversation off into a proper mac vs pc thread
Don't you know that Apple hardware is awesome and magically? Once you stick in the same Intel processor in an Apple, it becomes indestructible and runs faster than any other processor.
I guess I must have a rare PC. I built it 8 years ago and it still runs like the day I built it.
It's also strange that my 3 year Asus Laptop still works too. Funny how they produce sub $1000 laptops and still end up more reliable than Apple.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/most-least-reliable-notebooks-laptops,9102.html
Shelley
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I had my windows xp desktop for 6 years and recently upgraded to another windows machine. In 6 years the previous pc served me very well. Infact, it's still in the spare room hooked up for when i constantly transfer files when needed so it's very reliable. I find it funny though that apple fanatics always state they had problems with their pc crashing, it's unstable, it hasn't got an apple emblem on it. I put this down to the apple trend in saying what has been popular to them, windows/pcs whilst I was using them always crashed, was always unreliable when they can't be honest with themselves and simply just can't state the real reason...... "I purchased a mac, ipod, ipad, iphone because of the apple emblem, it makes me cool".
Forsaken
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And most computers do not fail within the first 3 years~ Unless you're (Not actually you) utterly incompetent in basic computer care, a computer should run strong (in normal conditions) for 4-5 years minimum.
Other than a few things (The logicboard) there are no differences in hardware between a PC and Mac. None whatsoever. About the only thing that they actually engineer now is the logicboard (Which isn't much different from your normal motherboard), their cabling, their case and any anti-fix it yourself measures.
Jaxels point is he can pay the cost of the hardware (Just the hardware, and not Apples premium) and get it for a cheaper price. The parts can be higher quality, they can be faster, more advance, and offer up more in they way of performance. Again, no difference between a Mac and a PC's hardware, they're almost always exactly the same.
Go back and read the thread where he asked for donations, the parts he picked out are all nice parts, and he got them for the cost of the hardware. He also got discounts and cheaper shipping due to buying them the way he did most likely.
Yes, a standalone (or small chain) of computer shops is going to be unable to fix your computer that day most likely, as they tend to have more than one system. They are also not at the scale of Apple. That said, many of the computer stores in CA can and will fix your PC for you on the spot while you stand there. They also tend to do a decent job, depending on where you take it.
You have knowledge of electrical systems... Do you have knowledge of all the hardware parts for a PC? If you're taking it into a computer shop, I don't think you do. I've been building my own systems since I was about 10 years old, having learned from my moms friend who is qualified, and I studied it as my major. Yeah, most people aren't qualified, most people probably have no clue what they're doing. Yes, most people buy parts and throw them together, not looking up if anything is incompatible or not. Again, parts are all the same, all Apple does is pick out parts that have no issues together and adds a premium to them, no more and no less.
We call those hobbyists, they're obviously not professionals, and they are generally not taken seriously. Can they know what they're talking about? Sometimes, though its rare. Learning how to build your own PC isn't all that difficult (Hell, my 11 year old brother is already learning how). Chances are it was more an issue of either a) time, b) money, c) lost interest in why he quit.
There have been issues with Apples, and they have plenty of their own ********. Do you remember the recall of the G4 systems? I spent hours arguing before they issued the recall trying to get them to replace the system, all because at that time I wasn't qualified (By Apple) to fix my own system without voiding my warranty.Macs only difference, once again, is the OS. Everything else is either the same, or has a minor role in how the system works (Wiring for example).
I've been building my own PCs since the 486DX.
Never had any of the usual problems reported in this thread and I have only upgraded to get more performance, not due to any failure.
Whilst I like the UI on the Apple products, I find the lack of functionality (Flash, etc.) and hardware (USB ports) too restricting to make them a viable option.
Never had any of the usual problems reported in this thread and I have only upgraded to get more performance, not due to any failure.
Whilst I like the UI on the Apple products, I find the lack of functionality (Flash, etc.) and hardware (USB ports) too restricting to make them a viable option.