XF 2.3 ?
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bzcomputers
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I think a lot of time has been passed since that comment was made, and circumstances may be slightly different. I tried to look for the comment myself and couldn't find it. I know in the past XenForo has tried not to break add-ons during minor version releases (2.1, 2.2). Breaking some add-ons with new releases is almost inevitable. Now, during this long of a release cycle, I would assume the changes in the code will be more significant than a typical minor release and in turn could affect more than "some" add-ons.
Russ
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Are styles included in that or will there be a decent amount of work to upgrade existing ones?
Claudio
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Fixed - The native emojis of the device are shown and not those of JoyPixels.
And what's really pitiful... this is coming from someone with a decade of XF use that was a strong proponent of it. They seem to have "lost their way" recently. Indeed. At this point it is starting to feel more-and-more like XF is just a 'side hustle' for the guys who are still left.xenforo.com
Mr Lucky
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You must have some information that others don’t!
Recep Baltaş
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If I had a nickel for every time that some told AMP is dead, I would be rich.AMP is already a very useless technology, it was said that it will no longer have a privilege. But I agree with others.
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From the release of the page experience algorithm, there is no longer any preferential treatment for AMP in Google’s search results, Top Stories carousel and the Google News.plausible.io
Should be minimal.
Arantor
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Only today over on SMF I had someone get angry about having a new version to upgrade to, as in 'why must there always be new versions of things that people have to learn' - this, after a version that took 11 years to come out.
I sometimes wonder if our benevolent XF overlords are saving us from ourselves.
I sometimes wonder if our benevolent XF overlords are saving us from ourselves.
btmgreg
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I can hear this.
Mendalla
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You can have too many upgrades. My ideal cadence would be a maintenance (x.x.x) release maybe every 2-3 months and a feature update (x.x) maybe every 18-24 months. Full, major new releases? Rarely. Not even sure I can put a number to that. If you have a solid core, as XF 2 seems to have, regular maintenance and feature releases should be enough for quite a while.
webbouk
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One point worth considering - do your members want a new release with changes to get used to, as much as you do?
When I first migrated to XF from a modified Snitz forum which had been running for 17 years in that guise (with @Slavik 's help), it caused mayhem for some of our older members, some of which I don't think ever managed to get used to the changes.
The dust has long since settled, but as much as I'd like new things to play with I have to consider our members, do they?
When I first migrated to XF from a modified Snitz forum which had been running for 17 years in that guise (with @Slavik 's help), it caused mayhem for some of our older members, some of which I don't think ever managed to get used to the changes.
The dust has long since settled, but as much as I'd like new things to play with I have to consider our members, do they?
Mr Lucky
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Mostly not. The members are more important to than us in that without them writing content, asking question, answering, or just bantering we would not have a forum.
I get the feeling that mostly they don’t want upgrades because it means downtime and rarely any advantage when all they want is stability and reliability and to carry on posting.
I love big upgrades because it gives me some new toys to play with but it doesn’t really help my members if I’m honest.
Arantor
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I mean, there are larger takeaways here - SNF for comparison also ships a new theme with each big release (and it used to ship the last theme updated for the new version specifically for transition purposes) but in an XF world 2.x didn’t bring major aesthetic overhauls between versions from what I remember: 2.2 is (basically) the same theme as 2.0.
I think in a lot of ways, regular new functionality without changing the feel, plus a periodic (3-5 years) refresh can be a good balance. But it is a huge reminder that unless the regulars are hurting for functionality (and, of course, add-ins can exist to help there), what really is the driver for a big, bold update?
I think in a lot of ways, regular new functionality without changing the feel, plus a periodic (3-5 years) refresh can be a good balance. But it is a huge reminder that unless the regulars are hurting for functionality (and, of course, add-ins can exist to help there), what really is the driver for a big, bold update?
sbj
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I M P R O V E M E N T S
Running a forum is a chore. You have to administrate it, you have to moderate it, you want to contribute in it and you want to use it just like a regular user.
Now, having my pages loading faster is an improvement and nobody can tell me that you wouldn't want instantly loading pages even with tons of youtube vids embedded or images loaded.
Having some bulk tools for administrating/moderating stuff gives so much valuable time back. Have you ever tried to change for 700 threads the custom thread fields? Do you know how time-consuming it is? Instead of bulk updating it? (My most updated ones in one go were 40k threads).
Content. I need to provide content, I need tools and improvements to provide/enhance/enable content.
And when I just use my site, I want it to be efficient and useful. So, getting rid of stuff is essential, or enabling categorizations (like prefixes, thread fields, filters) is essential. Also it must be intuitive and not hidden under 3 settings.
Mobile friendly anyone?
The least part I care of is the design. The default look with couple of changes is good enough and there are tons of styles available anyway.
Unless we talk about design improvements for mobile, which also needs a lot of work.
For example, do you know how annoying it is to click a thread title and land on page 1 instead of landing on the last post? If there is no read marker (which is not on for visitors), every time you click on a thread you land on page 1, even if the thread is 812 pages long. So you need to go to last page. On mobile the pagination bar is on the bottom of the page, meaning if a page holds 50 posts (like mine does), you need to scroll 50 posts down and then click on the last page button. Then you land on the last page, but still you need to scroll down to last post. Feel free to test it out, it sucks. Even if you are logged in, there are many threads you want to re-visit and you just keep landing on post 1. (You can click on the time but 99% don't know it exists).
Running a forum is a chore. You have to administrate it, you have to moderate it, you want to contribute in it and you want to use it just like a regular user.
Now, having my pages loading faster is an improvement and nobody can tell me that you wouldn't want instantly loading pages even with tons of youtube vids embedded or images loaded.
Having some bulk tools for administrating/moderating stuff gives so much valuable time back. Have you ever tried to change for 700 threads the custom thread fields? Do you know how time-consuming it is? Instead of bulk updating it? (My most updated ones in one go were 40k threads).
Content. I need to provide content, I need tools and improvements to provide/enhance/enable content.
And when I just use my site, I want it to be efficient and useful. So, getting rid of stuff is essential, or enabling categorizations (like prefixes, thread fields, filters) is essential. Also it must be intuitive and not hidden under 3 settings.
Mobile friendly anyone?
The least part I care of is the design. The default look with couple of changes is good enough and there are tons of styles available anyway.
Unless we talk about design improvements for mobile, which also needs a lot of work.
For example, do you know how annoying it is to click a thread title and land on page 1 instead of landing on the last post? If there is no read marker (which is not on for visitors), every time you click on a thread you land on page 1, even if the thread is 812 pages long. So you need to go to last page. On mobile the pagination bar is on the bottom of the page, meaning if a page holds 50 posts (like mine does), you need to scroll 50 posts down and then click on the last page button. Then you land on the last page, but still you need to scroll down to last post. Feel free to test it out, it sucks. Even if you are logged in, there are many threads you want to re-visit and you just keep landing on post 1. (You can click on the time but 99% don't know it exists).
FTL
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That's great as I hate losing add-ons. The consequences are bad enough on Firefox, way worse on a forum.
zappaDPJ
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In my experience members want ease of use and once in a very rare blue moon, something the software currently doesn't provide.
Ease of use means providing a bug free UI that facilitates the ability to interact without having to give too much thought to the mechanics of actually doing it. Members will however complain about bugs and change no matter how small but very rarely do they ask for something new.
So yes, it is a point well made and why I hope 2.3 focuses on bug fixes and a new editor first and foremost.
duderuud
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Half true. Once 2.3 comes out (if it ever does) support for 2.2 would eventually stop.
So no, no one is forcing you to upgrade but there will come a time you have to upgrade nonetheless.
Sebastiaan
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Can't imagine XF taking infinite account of backwards compatibility.
There are betas for this so an Add-on developer can modify his product to work with the latest version.
There are betas for this so an Add-on developer can modify his product to work with the latest version.
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