Michael Lopez
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how does this differ from vb? How is it better? its cheaper but im not sure right now if it is the right forum. Im leaning towards vbulletin because im familiar but im also lookng for a cheaper option.
Why can't they just come out, be straight with everyone, and admit it's over?
Yes. Like I said, the community is obsessed with competitors, and vBulletin in particular.Uhhh, Mark. Did you see the title of this thread?
Yes. Like I said, the community is obsessed with competitors, and vBulletin in particular.
Anyone with any criticism of XenForo gets shouted down and abused, yet the same people obsess on how bad vBulletin is.
No it isn't.I, for one, just don't get it. You feel free to post about supposed contemptuous behavior by XF. When someone disagrees, that is bad
Thanks for proving my point. The very fact such a thread exists - YET AGAIN - is further proof of the obsession, and the very fact it is full of "competitor bashing" - despite repeated requests to the contrary - is even more proof.Well, the thread title is Xenforo vs. VB so everyone entering into this thread should expect that both vbulletin and xenforo subjects are discussed.
And as usual the best anyone can do is turn everything round to vBulletin! It's like an obsession.
My views relate to the *contemptuous* manner in which the owners of this company have simply abandoned the project (fine in itself), whilst *completely ignoring* the torrent of complaints and questions from paying customers.
But feel free to ignore valid criticism of the Jesus Company, and instead try to focus on competitor products.
Why can't they just come out, be straight with everyone, and admit it's over?
Because the lawsuit isn't over. You can look forward to the trial on January 15, 2013.
That's because in the situation we have, criticism is easy, while praise is long in coming.Yes. Like I said, the community is obsessed with competitors, and vBulletin in particular.
Anyone with any criticism of XenForo gets shouted down and abused, yet the same people obsess on how bad vBulletin is.
The trial will be only one day? Will we have result January 15?
I'm not a legal expert, but this help me put it into a possible perspective: the massive Apple-Samsung trial (which I thought would've been of OJ-trial length), was over in about a week.The trial will be only one day? Will we have result January 15?
And as usual the best anyone can do is turn everything round to vBulletin! It's like an obsession.
My views relate to the *contemptuous* manner in which the owners of this company have simply abandoned the project (fine in itself), whilst *completely ignoring* the torrent of complaints and questions from paying customers.
But feel free to ignore valid criticism of the Jesus Company, and instead try to focus on competitor products.
No, I expect them to come here and tell us if they have abandoned this business permanently, or not. And if not, when they plan to start running it again.http://xenforo.com/community/threads/august-update.35633/#post-404867
People like you expect Kier to come here and spill his guts on his financial and legal situation so you can feel justified in your purchase made before they were sued
Wonderful sentiments. I'd love to be "understanding" but in business that's not going to cut the mustard.That's because in the situation we have, criticism is easy, while praise is long in coming.
It is only when we see the contrast to truly bad software that we are able to realize that, hey, maybe we should pull back on some of the criticism (and I from having that frustration about KAM's lack of responsiveness).
Furthermore, when one considers the personal problems mentioned by KAM as surrounding them at the present moment, that's when you begin to feel guilty for any criticism you might've felt, and it's enough to turn you into a fanboy (or me at least).
I realize this last step may not be for everyone, as people have websites on which their livelihood depends, and so they may not end up rallying behind KAM, but the least everyone can do is be understanding. And if a person decides to temporarily choose another software over XF, then do so without bitterness, but with understanding. That being said, I firmly believe that vb5 makes XF the ideal solution at the present moment, and that's even without the devs' personal lives being back in order. Just the software itself, the future one can have with it, makes one inspired to own software, in light of the vb4/vb5 messes. You can have the bloated IPB, or the zen-like and modern XF.
The lawsuit was ongoing when XenForo came out of beta. Didn't stop them then.Because the lawsuit isn't over. You can look forward to the trial on January 15, 2013.
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