Why do theme sellers and extension sellers require me to jump through hoops to buy their products?

I don't mind this but i wouldn't get many members who'd have an xf site.
The only addons i have currently are @Xon's sign up and abuse and his standard library. Plus the xf official media gallery and resources.
 
vbresults said:
It was such a long time ago that I can't fully remember the details, but some vBulletin and XF 1 customers would buy a third-party add-on, download it, and then the PayPal account would be flagged as compromised and PayPal would reverse the funds.
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If PayPal wasn't such a steaming pile of crap for the majority of my career, I could probably retire and live off the interest of all the money that got refunded due to people pulling this scam 🥲

I'd say it was about 33% legit stolen accounts and 66% people pulling a fast one.

Thankfully, Stripe is way more on the ball with this sort of thing.
 
DragonByte Tech said:
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If PayPal wasn't such a steaming pile of crap for the majority of my career, I could probably retire and live off the interest of all the money that got refunded due to people pulling this scam 🥲

I'd say it was about 33% legit stolen accounts and 66% people pulling a fast one.

Thankfully, Stripe is way more on the ball with this sort of thing.
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Stripe plays hardball with everyone.
Paypal is actually ok, if you set it up correctly.
If you choose not to it can be dodgey.
 
vbresults said:
It was such a long time ago that I can't fully remember the details, but some vBulletin and XF 1 customers would buy a third-party add-on, download it, and then the PayPal account would be flagged as compromised and PayPal would reverse the funds.

I think for vBulletin I had to block unconfirmed accounts, deferred payments, and manually verify transactions to solve the problem. For XF 1, I did the first two but instead of manually validating, implemented the license key validation API and it worked just as well.

I don't remember this being a problem with XF 2, but the average ticket price of the add-ons was a lot higher.
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Chargebacks were one of the biggest issues I dealt with, but generally the piracy forums (outside of Vietnam and Russia) would not chargeback, because having to re-purchase new versions of add-ons or use new accounts would be more difficult than just the initial cost of purchase.

Ricsca said:
Anyone who has a pirate forum will hardly buy a paid component! I also find this whole request for tokens exaggerated
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Glad to know you have more experience than people who actually make and sell resources here. Maybe with your wide range of experience you can next stop global warming, starvation, and find the cure for idiocy.

DragonByte Tech said:
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If PayPal wasn't such a steaming pile of crap for the majority of my career, I could probably retire and live off the interest of all the money that got refunded due to people pulling this scam 🥲

I'd say it was about 33% legit stolen accounts and 66% people pulling a fast one.

Thankfully, Stripe is way more on the ball with this sort of thing.
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I've only had one chargeback with Paypal not completely go in my favor, and that was because the person stole his moms Paypal account, and they still let us keep funds. Every other claim has been won as I am able to show multiple stages where user confirmation is required, and each step was logged to an IP or specific computer.

Stripe on the other hand will just immediately refund the money and charge use the chargeback fee 🙃.
 
Forsaken said:
I've only had one chargeback with Paypal not completely go in my favor, and that was because the person stole his moms Paypal account, and they still let us keep funds. Every other claim has been won as I am able to show multiple stages where user confirmation is required, and each step was logged to an IP or specific computer.

Stripe on the other hand will just immediately refund the money and charge use the chargeback fee 🙃.
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In 2010-2018 era, PayPal had no protection against stolen cards and would refund 100% of the time, no matter how much evidence I provided in any form (screenshots, links to the posts where the customer admitted to submitting a fraudulent chargeback because I wouldn't add the feature they requested, etc).

Meanwhile I've never had a fraudulent charge go through with Stripe. People have tried.
 
Sorry far, less than a handful of disputes with Paypal in 25 years, one not in my favor and that was an eBay transaction. No disputes with Stripe.
 
Had no issues with Paypal because i set it up to make sure that it wasn't dodgey at all.
It's a little more than just signing up with your email address.
Have had issues with stripe because of the way how THEY handle things.
They seem to think everyone is fraudulent.
 
DragonByte Tech said:
In 2010-2018 era, PayPal had no protection against stolen cards and would refund 100% of the time, no matter how much evidence I provided in any form (screenshots, links to the posts where the customer admitted to submitting a fraudulent chargeback because I wouldn't add the feature they requested, etc).

Meanwhile I've never had a fraudulent charge go through with Stripe. People have tried.
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That time period sounds about right.
MySiteGuy said:
Sorry far, less than a handful of disputes with Paypal in 25 years, one not in my favor and that was an eBay transaction. No disputes with Stripe.
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The statements above were made in reference to the sale of pre-made add-ons, not services.
 
vbresults said:
That time period sounds about right.

The statements above were made in reference to the sale of pre-made add-ons, not services.
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This is not the only business under my belt, and I've sold a large variety of things. Software, books, automotive parts, services, electronics, t-shirts and hats, forum memberships, and other items.
 
Ricsca said:
Does anyone who is able to do this get stopped by a license validation?
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Not only the above comment about someone paying for it, but there is no reason to be buying an add-on if you don't have a valid licence, and if you are, it's almost certainly for suspicious reasons.

It also means that if a licence is discovered to have been violated, it can be revoked meaning that people who go spreading paid works can be curtailed to a point.
 
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