Digital Doctor
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I think Miller Light tastes great.
Add-on Where do you stand on selling addons to Russian businesses?
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digitalpoint
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For me, it's too much work to keep up with geo-political things. I have real life friends in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, Iran, etc. Do I judge them based on people running their country? No. And hopefully people don't judge me based on the retards running the United States.
Am I going to quiz someone about their political or religious beliefs before I sell them something? Also no... that's seems like it would just be making a ton of work for me so I can hopefully make less money?
Now if I saw an order from an individual that caught my eye, I'd cancel the order. Like if Kim Jong Un was trying to buy something... but an individual human being from North Korea? idc...
If you are going to go down the road of a blanket judgement against any human based on their physical location in the world, should I also ban selling to certain US states that have idiotic leadership? Again... just seems like too much work to me. If I'm going to judge someone, I'm going to judge them individually, not based on where they were born or live or religion. Too much work (oh ya, I said that).
Am I going to quiz someone about their political or religious beliefs before I sell them something? Also no... that's seems like it would just be making a ton of work for me so I can hopefully make less money?
Now if I saw an order from an individual that caught my eye, I'd cancel the order. Like if Kim Jong Un was trying to buy something... but an individual human being from North Korea? idc...
If you are going to go down the road of a blanket judgement against any human based on their physical location in the world, should I also ban selling to certain US states that have idiotic leadership? Again... just seems like too much work to me. If I'm going to judge someone, I'm going to judge them individually, not based on where they were born or live or religion. Too much work (oh ya, I said that).
SneakyDave
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Iowegians? Absolutely not
Rubber Jesus
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I'd code a new recipe app for a bunch of slobbering cannibals if they paid my asking fee.
So, anyway... sell it. PEOPLE are not their GOVERNMENT; this is more clearer than ever.
So, anyway... sell it. PEOPLE are not their GOVERNMENT; this is more clearer than ever.
MySiteGuy
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No, your point was understood. It’s the sanctified packaging that was unnecessary.
Seeker-Smith
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And look who runs the world court:Oh really?
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tajhay
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Would ypu prefer it to be run by an Israeli so you could have a consistent narrative you could keep lying to yourselves and the world about?
Forsaken
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Follow sanction and legal requirements, and generally ignore them on a personal level.
As far as add-ons go, most of what I have funded is allowed to be released, but the things that specifically give me advantage over competitors is kept strictly private to my communities.
As far as people having an issue with @Stuart Wright deciding who he will or will not sell his add-ons too... While he does recoup some of his investment (ongoing development is not cheap), him providing his products is a boon to the community. I just find it hilarious it is always people who have never provided any value to this community are the ones who take issue with things
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As far as add-ons go, most of what I have funded is allowed to be released, but the things that specifically give me advantage over competitors is kept strictly private to my communities.
As far as people having an issue with @Stuart Wright deciding who he will or will not sell his add-ons too... While he does recoup some of his investment (ongoing development is not cheap), him providing his products is a boon to the community. I just find it hilarious it is always people who have never provided any value to this community are the ones who take issue with things
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Seeker-Smith
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Forsaken
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That did not last long.
lanbin
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I’m Russian. In 2022 I left Russia and moved to Istanbul, where I still live. In the very same building where I live, several Ukrainian families who fled the war in 2022 are renting apartments. We greet each other every day, chat in the elevator, and yes, we all speak Russian, because for most of us it’s the native language we grew up with. The Ukrainian guys from my building even cut my hair in their barbershop for money; we laugh, talk about life, and everything is perfectly normal.
So while you’re sitting somewhere in the UK feeling “uncomfortable” about selling an addon to someone just because their forum is in Russian or has a .ru domain, spare a thought: a Russian-language forum is not “Russians only.” It’s Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians, Baits, and half of the former USSR. You’re refusing all of them too with your “ethical stance”?
Discriminating against customers based on their nationality while crying “I don’t want to get political” is peak hypocrisy. Congrats, you just admitted you’re doing exactly what you pretend to be above. Own it.
I was born and raised during the USSR era, back when the countries that are now part of the European Union (Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia) were still part of the Soviet Union.
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Stuart Wright
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I asked ChatGPT to summarise my position when selling addon licenses to a Russian company and it said that I am ok provided I ensure the purchaser is not on the sanctions list and that I don't provide any support.
You couldn't be more wrong.
You asking me the question about whether I would deal with Ukrainians etc. because they speak Russian reveals how you have fundamentally misunderstood my post.
It's nothing to do with the language the forum is in. It's the location of the business (Russia) and how I feel about working with them. Also, and though I didn't mention it in my first post, it's important to consider the ramifications of the UK sanctions law which we need to carefully follow as a UK business.
If you read my thread properly, you will see that I asked about Russian businesses. In the thread title, no less. Not Russian individuals or people who speak Russian.
I hoped that my question would not turn political, but this thread turned in to a **** show very quickly. At AVForums, we made our politics forum private because, though we appeared in position #1 in a Google search for politics forum, it's not what we're about.
To conclude, the person running the forum based in Russia is a private individual rather than a business, so I am inclined to sell the addon to him.
Thanks to those people who gave useful advice and opinion.
The mods can now put this thread out of Xenforo's misery.
Well it's called "consequences" but as true USSR you are trained to blame only others and not yourself or your government.
This has nothing to do with the topic. Those countries were occupied by USSR.
BikeGremlin
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As someone who's grown up in sanctions - and protested against the government - I can confirm that sanctions mostly punish the normal people and nothing else.
Politicians who impose them know that very well - but the general public is brainwashed into believing that sanctions do something for the good.
Not that I expect this post to change anyone's mind - but that's my stance on doing business with "from country X" (whichever country it is).
Stuart Wright
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I don't know whether this is the case, but I think most people / goverments would prefer regime change to be driven by a country's people. And if they understand that it's the fault of their goverment, then motivating them to drive forward that change may not be a bad thing. I believe that many Russians believe their state propaganda lies.
digitalpoint
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Well, as a U.S. citizen, I'm 100% down for a regime change. I'm hoping one of the zillions of countries we invaded to force regime change will return the favor soon.
As far as if Russians do or don't believe the state propaganda, exactly ZERO of the Russians I know believe it.
Thank God citizens don't have to align with the beliefs of the leaders of their country. I most certainly do not... in fact if I'm being honest and I could waive a magic wand, I'd remove everyone who ever came to the United States as an immigrant (and their descendants) and return it to the Native Americans and just find a new geographic place to live. Clearly, I'm no patriot... the place I live is nothing more than that... a physical place. If it gets too much to your disliking, you can just move (no different than moving to a different street or city) to a place more suitable.
Best to not judge a human being based on where they live on the planet. If you want to go down the road of judging people before you sell something to them, judge them individually, imo.