What advice would you give to a community owner/leader wanting to give up?

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But can I explain what the needs (and costs) are for those who manage large communities to a person who has had 2 forums open for years, one with 12 registered users and the other with 17 registered users?
A forum is a script specifically designed to have users interact with each other!
If this does not happen, the forum does not do what it was designed to do!
If someone wants to open a personal site, they open a blog and let some users write a comment.
Google indexes and treats blogs very differently from forums and anyone who says otherwise knows nothing about SEO or is stuck with the SEO of 20 years ago!
 
I build my sites for my own pleasure and if others take pleasure from visiting them, then my job is done. If they want to register and contribute, the system is ready for them, if they don't then they don't; that doesn't bother me in the least.
Yep. I think my total annual cost for my forum comes to about $500. I spend far more on other indulgences and pastimes. For this small amount per year, I get to discuss one of my passions with thousands of other people with the same passion. It's a bargain! :cool:

Others have already stated that they are happy with the way their sites are performing, it's not up to you to tell them different. You are now acting like a troll and if you were on my site doing this you would be banned in a heartbeat. You are not doing anyone any favours here, and certainly not doing yourself any favours either. Just be done with it and let people run their sites they way THEY want. You have derailed this topic for long enough.
Though my forum is small in the spectrum of forums, it is GROWING, which is the literal opposite of "dead." Our Italian friend is simply a malcontent and apparently wishes to spread his unhappiness. And it's not working. :)
 
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If I had to give advice to an admin who would think of closing his forum, it was to ask the right question:
« are the forums dead? »
And I will answer him:
« No »
But if he thinks so, then maybe his is actually dead.
 
Though my forum is small in the spectrum of forums, it is GROWING, which is the literal opposite of "dead." Our Italian friend is simply a malcontent and apparently wishes to spread his unhappiness. And it's not working. :)

I'm simply an admin of 2 forums with thousands of users who need to be able to interact and talk to each other easily...
I'm an admin who has managed forums for 20 years who knows what it means when forums were active...
But I understand that you don't know what I'm talking about...
Besides, you have been asked several times to show your forum or at least your statistics but you have never done it...
You even said that you wrote a book on SEO but you don't show it...
You only know how to chat without a minimum of data in hand (data that I have brought more and more votes)...
So while you are there who are happy and feel fulfilled for 10 posts in your forum, there are people who manage truly active sites...
So there is little to be funny about!
 
Yep. I think my total annual cost for my forum comes to about $500. I spend far more on other indulgences and pastimes. For this small amount per year, I get to discuss one of my passions with thousands of other people with the same passion. It's a bargain! :cool:
Similar. The forum I admin is basically a passion project. I split the costs with my other admin and it comes to maybe CA$350 now. We used to get the odd donation from other members, too.

OTOH, if we were getting paid at appropriate rates for the time we put in (I'm an IT professional with 25+ years experience and the other has a background in IT as well), that would escalate quickly. Without us volunteering our time and skillset, the place would cost a lot more to run.

Closing up shop for us would not be my decision, though. I don't own the site, I run it on behalf of the community. We would have to decide both among the Council (what we call "Staff") and then probably have a vote of the general community. That said, if we both decided it was no longer worth our time and money, that discussion would have to happen. There's literally no one else on the site who can run the place and no one else has offered to contribute financially in a while though if we launched a fundraising campaign, we'd probably get some pledges.

My advice to an owner/leader wanting to pack it in? If the site is going dark, e.g. you don't sell it or get someone else to take over, then at least try to allow some "grieving" time for the community. Lets them look for a new place to meet and connect, say goodbyes, and so on.

My current plan for closing down would be to set things up so that our hosting has at least six months left on it at the time I announce and use that to gradually ramp down. Have farewell threads and that sort of thing, then maybe have it "frozen" with forums still online but read-only other than the "Farewell" forum for the last month or so.

And do support anyone who decides they want to take it on or start a new spinoff community. That's how we started. When the original Wondercafe announced it was closing down, we had several months notice and used that time to build Wondercafe2. The owner of the original WC (a Christian denomination, not an individual) was mostly supportive of that effort, even allowing us to use threads on the old site to do logistical and organizational discussions.
 
I'm simply an admin of 2 forums with thousands of users who need to be able to interact and talk to each other easily...
I'm an admin who has managed forums for 20 years who knows what it means when forums were active...
But I understand that you don't know what I'm talking about...
Besides, you have been asked several times to show your forum or at least your statistics but you have never done it...
You even said that you wrote a book on SEO but you don't show it...
You only know how to chat without a minimum of data in hand (data that I have brought more and more votes)...
So while you are there who are happy and feel fulfilled for 10 posts in your forum, there are people who manage truly active sites...
So there is little to be funny about!
I bet my dad is bigger than your dad. Seriously, grow up. Repeating the same mantra ad nauseam does nothing but diminish your side of the debate.
 
This is not a matter of repeating to belittle...
As a manager of large communities I am saying the problems (and what he needs) that an admin has to involve and contact his users...
People who have 15 users in 2 years tell me that it is not true...
As a manager of large communities I say that if a forum that has 250,000 members who in a week write 15 threads it means that the forum is dead because if the users were interested they would have written more than 15 threads well...
Keep saying the opposite in the face of objective data that only I bring...
So if you want to continue playing and deluding yourself that everything is fine... go ahead...
 
white teeth troll GIF
 
an admin has to evolve
There I fixed it for you. You don't know how to do this. That's why your forum is dead and ours are growing.

To answer the question at hand, there are several options that I'd recommend, depending on why they're wanting to give it up.

1) If you need/want the money, sell the site. Just know you're probably not going to get out of it what you think you will.
2) Give it to a friend, or member of the community, who you trust can/will do what's necessary to keep it going.
3) Just close it down. This is what I'd do if it were my forum. Similar to what photography-on-the.net did, I'd give everyone a heads-up that the site would be going offline on a specific date. On that date, it'd just cease to exist.
 
Besides, you have been asked several times to show your forum or at least your statistics but you have never done it...
I'd prefer to not "dox" myself.
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You even said that you wrote a book on SEO but you don't show it...
See above. Doing so would unnecessarily reveal my identity and location. Don't believe me... I don't care one whit. My forum shows up very well in the related searches, because I DO understand SEO. I've done zero SEM or any kind of advertising for the site.

So while you are there who are happy and feel fulfilled for 10 posts in your forum, there are people who manage truly active sites...
Depending on the day of the week, we're averaging 50 - 120 posts per day in recent months. Calculated as an average per day, it comes to 65 posts. 57,400 posts divided by 884 days in existence = 65 posts per day. I'm quite happy with that.

Again, that's NOT boasting. I'm just putting it out there. The forum is GROWING, not shrinking or dying. It's a small forum focused on a very niche topic. Though the conversations are often beyond the niche topic.

The community is tight and growing. So, I feel very fortunate. I'm having fun, and I'm providing a place for similar-minded people to gather without the onerous censorship of big tech social media. Cost to me is negligible.
 
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a person who says he writes books on SEO and who manages a public forum but who absolutely cannot let people know who he is? This is quite ridiculous!
I am attaching the statistics of my smaller forum, obviously to you they will seem like a lot of posts and Treats while to me they seem ridiculous statistics of a dead forum that is of no interest to users.
Now that I was looking at the statistics in administration I realized that there is no way to know how many posts and discussions have been written per month or per week because the results provided are the result of an average that I can't understand. Does this seem normal to you? Obviously you will tell me yes and that if I want to know how many posts and discussions have been written I have to do the sum with the daily statistics calculator!
 

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a person who says he writes books on SEO and who manages a public forum but who absolutely cannot let people know who he is? This is quite ridiculous!
That is correct. I don't care if you think it's "ridiculous." I have my reasons not to dox myself.

Now that I was looking at the statistics in administration I realized that there is no way to know how many posts and discussions have been written per month or per week because the results provided are the result of an average that I can't understand.
I'm sorry you cannot understand simple mathematics.
 
these are the monthly statistics, can you tell me how many posts and threads were written in my forum since you understand simple math?
 

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why 355 Posts written in January with monthly view become 11.45 ?
you who are simple mathematics can you explain it to me?
Thanks
 
but if I in administration want to know how many posts were written in January in my forum why does the site show me an average? Among other things an average compared to the total number of posts written forum? Do you understand that it makes no sense and that it is practically useless?
But obviously for you everything will be ok
 
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