What advice would you give to a community owner/leader wanting to give up?

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I can't help thinking that perhaps the purpose of the thread has been missed ...
Why stay on topic when you can repeatedly make the same argument you've made in every other thread without realizing your experiences are not the experiences everyone else has.

That would be logical and lead to proper discussions and an enjoyable thread, and that is simply crazy talk Brogan.
 
So if someone talks about how to improve a script and what is important and fundamental for an admin of large (but also medium) communities, he is a troll...
So all the users who write in the official worpress forum are trolls... ok...
You are not someone who helps improve anything; you are a person who complains and adds no value because you use the same circular arguments that you have used for over a year without providing a suggestion to solve said complaints. You use purely anecdotal evidence and ignore the experiences of others who run larger active communities, or people who work with some of the largest communities.

You are not here to discuss things in good faith, you're not even here to argue here in good faith. You are here to doomsay and push this fixation you obsess over as if it is the only true gospel. There are 7-year-olds in elementary cafeterias who are better at arguing over which type of cookie is better than you arguing whether or not forums are dying.
 
If you think it's a contest to see who has the most posts, these are the stats for my second forum...
I don't see it as a contest at all. What I see is a site owner blaming the platform for a downturn in user engagement. Sadly your site statistics are indicative of a dying forum which is borne out by a couple of visits.

I've already tried to make the point that in general activity levels are dictated by a desire to contribute regardless of function. To be honest your forum looks good, your landing page one of the best I've seen in a while, but still nobody is posting. Contrast that with this forum which is bland by comparison with less functionality and yet its members keep posting.

In short it's not about size, it's not about bells and whistles, it really comes down to having an audience who wants or needs to engage.
 
You are not someone who helps improve anything; you are a person who complains and adds no value because you use the same circular arguments that you have used for over a year without providing a suggestion to solve said complaints. You use purely anecdotal evidence and ignore the experiences of others who run larger active communities, or people who work with some of the largest communities.

You are not here to discuss things in good faith, you're not even here to argue here in good faith. You are here to doomsay and push this fixation you obsess over as if it is the only true gospel. There are 7-year-olds in elementary cafeterias who are better at arguing over which type of cookie is better than you arguing whether or not forums are dying.
This!
 
I don't see it as a contest at all. What I see is a site owner blaming the platform for a downturn in user engagement. Sadly your site statistics are indicative of a dying forum which is borne out by a couple of visits.

I've already tried to make the point that in general activity levels are dictated by a desire to contribute regardless of function. To be honest your forum looks good, your landing page one of the best I've seen in a while, but still nobody is posting. Contrast that with this forum which is bland by comparison with less functionality and yet its members keep posting.

In short it's not about size, it's not about bells and whistles, it really comes down to having an audience who wants or needs to engage.
You're just a fanatic who doesn't think objectively! I've always said in several posts that today xf is the best forum platform on the market.
Despite being the best, it has serious shortcomings and discussing the shortcomings and above all being amazed at how it is possible to have important shortcomings in 2024 means having constructive discussions!
For example, yesterday I discovered that in the statistics page (in admin) it is not possible to know the number of posts (threads, reactions, etc.) that are written in a month because only a percentage is shown... The only way is to do daily statistics and add up the data with the calculator for each day! If I say that discovering this in a paid forum in 2024 is surreal, does that mean I'm a troll? No, it means that I am a person who expects the script that he uses (and that he paid for) to be in continuous evolution / improvement which instead I do not see...
Forums are already less and less used because of social media, if then the platforms do not evolve and keep up with the times, they contribute to the decline of the forums!
This does not mean being a troll but you continue to say that everything is fine even though your forums are also dead...
 
Why are you outbidding? Be reasonable and move on guys!
He keeps repeating the same thing, we have nothing more to discover from his speech. You troll as much as he does...

You maintain the monster....
 
Bringing this back on topic. (Heresy, I know.)

Sometimes one must look at the community and consider if the purpose of the community was lost, or if perhaps it served its purpose and it is time to move on. We speak of communities as if they are evergreen and that they should be self-sustaining but that isn’t always true.

For example some TV series garner fan communities to talk about them, theorise etc. - I certainly remember participating in forum discussions about the X-Files back in the day. Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel had its forums, I’m sure you can think of others. But these communities have a life span and while some successfully transition into a new form, many don’t, and perhaps they shouldn’t.

If the purpose of the community goes, and discussion disappears, close it, do something else. Find a new tribe. It’s OK that communities don’t live forever. There are only so many discussions and takes that some material can sustain, and not enough in common for the rest of the community to band together to sustain it through related discussion.

If, on the other hand, the issue is that the admin’s drive has gone - not the community as a whole - that’s usually a sign that the admin needs to take a break, maybe hand some of the reins of the community to people who can be trusted for a little while. (If more permanent, maybe talk to the community about a transition.) This can work for smaller communities, and usually hobbyist ones that are less about monetisation - large ones that have that element going on, maybe it’s time to sell up and move on.

End point: all things, including the intersections of people in places, have their time, and all things will pass in time. Some like tears in rain. Some may yet circle round and reconnect.
 
In short it's not about size, it's not about bells and whistles, it really comes down to having an audience who wants or needs to engage.
This.

One of my forums has around 18.000 posts per month, another one has around 300 posts per month. Is the smaller one dead? No, and I consider it at least semi important for its niche as it educates beginners.
 
There’s plenty of forums out there with more than 1000 posts and 1000 users per day. Obviously they do something right. Forums aren’t dead. Maybe yours is and then you need to do something.

But maybe some admins don’t care about 1000 posts per day and are happy with just a few users browsing around.

Live and let live.
 
There’s plenty of forums out there with more than 1000 posts and 1000 users per day. Obviously they do something right. Forums aren’t dead. Maybe yours is and then you need to do something.

But maybe some admins don’t care about 1000 posts per day and are happy with just a few users browsing around.

Live and let live.
stop being reasonable
 
What are you talking about? Simply choose monthly grouping:

If I click on monthly I'll attach the statistics... an average is shown and not the total number of posts, threads, etc.

If I add them up manually from the daily statistics in January I had 355 posts and 29 threads
 

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If I click on monthly I'll attach the statistics... an average is shown and not the total number of posts, threads, etc.

If I add them up manually from the daily statistics in January I had 355 posts and 29 threads

Date range: Your desidered range of time
Grouping: Monthly
Display values type: Totals (not Daily Averages)

And you will get what you want...
 
There’s plenty of forums out there with more than 1000 posts and 1000 users per day. Obviously they do something right. Forums aren’t dead. Maybe yours is and then you need to do something.

But maybe some admins don’t care about 1000 posts per day and are happy with just a few users browsing around.

Live and let live.
By its very nature, a forum is made to have users who register and participate actively! If a forum has no users and many posts, it is a dead forum! I, who opened my first forum (still online) 20 years ago, know what an active forum means!
Then if there are admins who are content to have forums with 4/5 new threads a week and are convinced they have a good active forum, I am happy for them, they are just deluding themselves!
Since for you the number of posts and users is not important for a forum, why have you disabled the display of posts and members in yours? Perhaps to avoid showing that it is not very active? Why do people tend not to register and not participate in a forum that is not very active?
 
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