Brogan I had assumed this was not yet done because of other issues taking priority.
Duplicating a forum/ node OR a usergroup is extremely useful.
It means creating a similar bundle of conditions then adding or tweaking a bit. A great deal easier than setting up from scratch. I used to use this constantly on VB.
This isn't just about vB. I, too, have been bashing my head over the permissions in XF because they ARE handled differently than other packages. And while I can understand the "whys" of the implementation, I feel the actual implementation could have been done in a manner that doesn't cause so much confusion.
And while it may be a non-issue for those that are starting out from scratch, those of us with existing forums that base access on usergroup access and NEVER secondary access are having a devil of a time ensuring the permissions are set as they should be. In fact, I've never used a system that relies so much on secondary permissions as XF does. And I've worked on quite a few, including systems at the enterprise level.
So telling someone to get out of vB mode doesn't cut it. This is a huge issue that affects a lot of forum owners who have converted from another solution.
No it's not that different. To create permissions I create a kind of profile which I do by going down a long list of can/ cannot. "Cannot" is split between never and inherited but that isn't major once you get used to it.
I'm not going to ignore something VB did which was good just because it was VB. This particular feature goes right back to 3.0 at least so probably supervised by Kier and Mike anyway.
I definitely find it tiresome to have to go through every tiny permission individually for every group[ and every forum.
I'm laying low for a bit. Took 'em to task over their thought process on permissions yesterday. Brogan had the audacity to say we were doing it wrong when a few of us complained about how the permission system didn't allow us to easily maintain existing structures after imports. When some pudknocker says something like that, especially when I've been in the biz longer than he's been alive, I tend to push back.
Seriously? You took a post from another forum and then post it here in a vain attempt at trolling? If you have a beef with what I stated, keep it in the location it was posted.
My point still stands. You have countless individuals migrating from other packages, and the permission system as it's currently designed does not lend itself to easily converting to XF. You expect everyone who converts to completely redesign how their site handles usergroup permissions. This is not only asinine, it's plain wrong.
I mean it is simple math...you have one group for guests..they can't do anything, one group for registered people .. the rest that aren't the moderators or administrators groups are like modifiers for the your average registered user. There really is no need to copy or have the system in place to do it as far as I can tell.
Image example: (and someone correct me if I am wrong)