The Demise of the United States is Inevitable

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This just doesn't seem like a constructive thread to have on a software support forum (and yes I know it's the off topic forum)
If we start ruling out threads which aren't constructive, then the off topic forum would be closed for lack of activity.

I personally haven't seen anything too untoward in this thread which would warrant closing it.

You're always free to report posts if you think they're unacceptable.
 
This just doesn't seem like a constructive thread to have on a software support forum (and yes I know it's the off topic forum.
Sure it is! Either Digital Doctor or I will get a new license! :D

Its politics. The first rule of politics for the non-politicians is don't take it too serious. Heaven knows the bozos in DC don't seem to be taking it very serious.

When the Chinese foreclose, we'll just work out a deal and let them have California, New Jersey and Wisconsin. In fact, we'll give them Arizona and New Mexico. The only border we'll need to secure is Texas and we can do that. The rest will be their problem.

See? Us regular folk can find a way out of the debt crisis that becomes a win-win.
 
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America needs to tax it's way out of the debt crisis.
Read some non-biased sources (Canadian !).
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...in-state-of-denial-over-taxes/article2114872/

Essentially America is very under taxed.
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Something to note is people in Greece pay more taxes than Americans.
That is "not a good sign".
 
Tax is relevant to the country it is in....how much are the taxes on tobacco products here...ciggs are like 10 dollars a pack here how much are they in other countries...how bout a sirloin or a bag of flour...the level of tax to a specific country is only comparable with purpose if you include the costs of things in that country. Every state has it's own taxes and different costs of living as well.

If we all focus on one thing too much, it's relevance is lost.
 
There is also State, Local City and School district Taxes depending on the state you live in. By the time I pay my annual taxes I end up paying 43% of my earnings to Government Agencies. How much more should I send the Government that does not even know how to balance things out. The Government is spending FAR more than they collect.
 
Tax is relevant to the country it is in....how much are the taxes on tobacco products here...ciggs are like 10 dollars a pack here how much are they in other countries...
If we all focus on one thing too much, it's relevance is lost.
Exactly, like the Tea Party Fools who insist on no new Revenue for the Government.
There is also State, Local City and School district Taxes depending on the state you live in.
That is the total tax burden, which takes all those things into account.
Average Americans pay plenty of taxes.
It is the rich whom don't pay their fair share via George Bush Tax Loopholes.

The idea that Tax Revenues don't need to be majorly increased is "insanity".
Spending cuts are a good idea too.
Like cutting the military budget.
 
Ideas seem simple, until you look deeper. Take cutting the military budget. Its a ridiculous idea. Lets just assume for a moment that reality is suspended and you could cut the military budget by 50%. Thats only 10% of the budget, just enough to cover the annual deficit spending, which is roughly equal to the amount we borrow to pay the interest, but does nothing to lower the principle. So we weaken our military for no tangible financial benefit long-term. It doesn't tackle the problem that over 60% of the budget is entitlements.

Not to mention, we would have to change from an all-volunteer, high tech force to a low-tech conscripted force. You have to understand that all of the expensive military equipment is what we call force multipliers and star-off weapons. We have a much smaller military than Russia, North Korea, Vietnam, India, or China. Even Iran has 30% more men in uniform than the US.

We offset that quantitative difference through the quality of our military equipment. I personally witnessed what that means in Iraq in 1991. The air defense system in Bagdad was a recently installed, state of the art, Soviet system manned by Soviet "consultants". The F-117 shredded it. Our M-1 Abrams, complete with JSTARS uplinks tore apart the Soviet T-72s. And lets not forget the ability of cruise missiles and smart bombs to not only act as force protecting stand-off weapons, but also their ability to reduce collateral damage as well.

These weapons systems are expensive, but they save lives on both sides of the battlefield. Remove those, and we'll need a much larger conventional force. The current rate of service of 9.8 per 1000 per capita - also among the lowest in the world, would necessarily need to be increased by 100%, requiring compulsory service.

The thing is, we could pull the covers off every potential cut and show that each will incur a significant mount of pain and changes to how this country conducts itself domestically and on the world stage. It doesn't make any one of them the right or wrong cuts. Instead, it shows how complex this mess is right now and why why have to deal with it right now. Because the longer it goes on, the worse it will be.

Instead of a hack and slash approach (Cut military or cut Medicaid), we're going to have to put each and every program on the table and take to it with a scalpel. We're going to have to make the tough calls and everyone is going to feel it.

Thats the real art of the deal. It isn't each side competing for a Win/Lose, its all sides feeling an equal amount of pain and being equally pissed off.

But, IMHO, it starts with a Balanced Budget Amendment that forces the issue into the light of day and requires Congress to deal with it head on instead of ducking it.

You may hate the Tea Party, but this is the first time any political group as forced Washington to do more than just raise the debt ceiling and go further into debt.
 
Only 20% of the budget goes towards military spending.
20% and you say that like a joke, or you sneezed at it. An entire countries budget, and 20% is allocated to military. Again, I make my point, and Fred, you may want to go and look at what other countries allocate to military from their entire annual budget before trying to disprove facts.

You have literally stated in a round about way, that it is better to have a big military and invade other countries, than to look after your own people through a socialist structure, which near most every other country does so as a priority, being looking after its citizens to keep them happy, which a happy worker is usually an on-time and avid worker, which creates taxes for the Government, thus the economy, and the wheel continues to turn.

Even your own media within the US it stating Capitalism is the worst type of economic structure of choice made. Everyone for themselves is not a long standing economic model... wait for it.... oh, that is now showing after only 40 odd years of it.
Americans,we have to pay back our debts. The way to achieve it is higher taxes and lower spending. Vote for me and I guarantee that in 50 years time living standards in the US will start increase!
Yep, that is pretty logical actually... America is doing the exact opposite to what it tells Greece to do... oh wait! Hypocrisy I believe that's called!
 
@Digital Doctor - do you live in the USA? This talk about paying more in taxes is insanity and quite frankly, insulting. I refuse to give the government one more penny than I absolutely have to. They have proven time and again they are incapable of spending what they do get wisely, let alone in ways I approve of.
 
Even your own media within the US it stating Capitalism is the worst type of economic structure of choice made. Everyone for themselves is not a long standing economic model... wait for it.... oh, that is now showing after only 40 odd years of it.
Hmmm, capitalism is what made this country the strongest, most prosperous nation ever known to humankind. It probably serves you fairly well with your internet ventures I would imagine. What do you suggest, socialism...communism? As far as Greece is concerned, I think the EU is leading the handling of that, not the US...and it's socialism and runaway entitlement attitudes that got Greece in the fix they're in now, not capitalism.
 
Greece's issues to my knowledge are that they set an early retirement age of 55 AND taxes are optional for a good majority of the country. Not sustainable either, which is now showing.

One could say that the US is more communistic actually, dictatorship, as a nation, with the commercial component of greed underlying, being Capitalism. How do you get unbiased Governmental decisions when your country allows each candidate to take private contributions from private industry? Those donations aren't for free, they come with benefits to profit contributors, which means every politician is instantly corrupt based on the current system.
 
I won't disagree that our current government is corrupt, self-serving and probably beyond repair however I don't see how capitalism is the underlying cause of that.
 
100 yrs , is too long to even speculate

US is struggling, but i doubt it will become a 2nd USSR
For the sole reason that they print their own money, rather than use the value and availability of gold.

That said, I just laugh at news articles where I hear that Apple Inc now has more money available in cash than the USA.
 
Prediction: I think the way the Republicans are behaving now is going to haunt them in 2012.

They were put into office because the majority of Americans aren't exactly thrilled with Obama having a blank check. I am more than positive he will be a one term president. I think it's ironic how people put him in office thinking he would bring change, when he did absolutely nothing with his 2 years in the Senate.....well other than voting "present" when they needed a vote on a bill.
 
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