The Demise of the United States is Inevitable

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the wealth of a nation is defined as how much it "exports" in relation to how much it "imports".
the more products and services you export as a nation, the wealthier you are.

so in the end it all comes to innovation, investing in R&D, producing products, providing great services and exporting great products to other countries.

e.g.
So why is Apple not producing in the USA, but Apple products being produced at HonHai (Foxconn) in China and Taiwan and Apple making $$$ billions by not generating many jobs in the US ?
Still, Steve Jobs is a super-hero in the U.S. :eek:

Shareholder Value :D
 
It is important for the trade balance, not for the "wealth of a nation". Chinese producers need to be paid in US dollars, when for instance Apple pay them for producing their different products.

If there is a big deficit in the trade balance, no matter how wealthy Apple is, it wouldn't be able to muster enough dollars to pay their bills in China.

Wealth is not defined by trade balance. In fact the IMF recommends China and Germany to stop depending so much on exports, and focus more on stimulating their national markets.
 
It is important for the trade balance, not for the "wealth of a nation". Chinese producers need to be paid in US dollars, when for instance Apple pay them for producing their different products.

If there is a big deficit in the trade balance, no matter how wealthy Apple is, it wouldn't be able to muster enough dollars to pay their bills in China.

Wealth is not defined by trade balance. In fact the IMF recommends China and Germany to stop depending so much on exports, and focus more on stimulating their national markets.

LOL
 
No wonder the US Government have just taken away NASA and SETI's credit cards away...

Forgive me for my ignorance, but what about unemployment & sickness benefit rates in the USA? Certainly in the UK those things have caused some misery to the treasury. If the unemployment rate in the US is on a massive high, it doesn't surprise me that so many people are not paying tax.
 
I would recommend reading John William's report on this http://www.shadowstats.com/article/hyperinflation-special-report-2011

key points of the report are :

1. United States Nears Hyperinflationary Great Depression

2. Federal Reserve and Government Have Exploded the U.S. Fiscal Crisis,
Shattered Global Confidence in the U.S. Dollar but Not Resolved
Ongoing Economic and Systemic-Solvency Crises

3. High Risk of Ultimate Dollar Disaster Beginning to Unfold in Months Ahead
2014 Remains the Outside Timing for Same

4. Contracting Money Supply Can Be Inflationary
When Real Economy Contracts Even Faster

5. Major Economic Series Suggest Formal Depression in Place

John William's said:
The Great Collapse Nears

The U.S. economic and systemic-solvency crises of the last four years only have been precursors to the coming Great Collapse: a hyperinflationary great depression. Such will encompass a complete collapse in the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar; a collapse in the normal stream of U.S. commercial and economic activity; a collapse in the U.S. financial system as we know it; and a likely realignment of the U.S. political environment. Outside timing on the hyperinflation remains 2014, but there is strong risk of the currency catastrophe beginning to unfold in the months ahead. It may be starting to unfold as we go to press in March 2011, but moving into a full blown hyperinflation could take months to a year, beyond the onset, depending on the developing global view of the dollar and reactions of the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve.

Prerequisites to the crisis unfolding include: the Federal Reserve moving to monetize U.S. Treasury debt; the U.S. dollar losing its traditional safe-haven status; the U.S. dollar losing its reserve status; the federal budget deficit and Treasury funding needs spiraling out of control. The Fed moved to monetize Treasury debt in November 2010. A much-diminished U.S. dollar safe-haven status has become evident in early March 2011, along with serious calls for a new global reserve currency. The economy is not in recovery and should display significant new weakness in the months ahead, with severely expansive implications for the federal deficit, Treasury funding needs and requisite Fed monetization of debt.

As the advance squalls from this great financial tempest come ashore, the government could be expected to launch a variety of efforts at forestalling the hyperinflation’s landfall, but such efforts will buy little time and ultimately will fail in preventing the dollar’s collapse. The timing of the onset of full blown hyperinflation likely will be coincident with a broad global rejection/repudiation of the U.S. dollar.

With no viable or politically-practical way of balancing U.S. fiscal conditions and avoiding this financial economic Armageddon, the best that individuals can do at this point is to protect themselves, both as to meeting short-range survival needs as well as to preserving current wealth and assets over the longer term. Efforts there, respectively, would encompass building a store of key consumables, such as food and water, and moving assets into physical precious metals and outside of the U.S. dollar.
 
The simple facts are... the US bankrupt itself by firstly becoming a Capitalist country, secondarily by spending so much within military in order to be the worlds biggest bully. Now it all backfires, and it seems Russia has the last laugh, considering the pranks the US have played on it, and others, in order to try and bankrupt countries via propaganda stupidity.

I still stand by my original sentiments on this though... that the average American citizen is not to blame here, and its all at the top level of rich and politics that caused the demise, not the average Joe Blow citizen. Governments are in power to perform whats "best" for the citizens, not the US political system though, being whats best for the "politician" and their "mates" who are paying their private funding.

Capitalism is a lose lose structure, always has been, always will be.
 
The simple facts are... the US bankrupt itself by firstly becoming a Capitalist country, secondarily by spending so much within military in order to be the worlds biggest bully. Now it all backfires, and it seems Russia has the last laugh, considering the pranks the US have played on it, and others, in order to try and bankrupt countries via propaganda stupidity.

Thats doesn't quite fit the facts now, does it?

Out of every $1 the US government spends, $0.66 goes to pay individuals. 2/3 of the US expenses is an entitlement check of one type or another. Only 20% of the budget goes towards military spending.

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Its pretty clear it isn't the military that is bankrupting us and its not capitalism. Its socialism.
 
I still stand by my original sentiments on this though... that the average American citizen is not to blame here, and its all at the top level of rich and politics that caused the demise, not the average Joe Blow citizen.
The average American citizens are electing their government.
Would they vote for a politician who said:
Americans,we have to pay back our debts. The way to achieve it is higher taxes and lower spending.
Vote for me and I guarantee that in 50 years time living standards in the US will start increase!
 
Americans for the most part don't pick their president anyways...or their federal government. I can only pick between A and B when there is a whole alphabet out there.
 
Liu Ji said:
A nation does not prosper itself;
If its people have enough, it is prosperous.

Rulers are not powerful themselves;
When they have many knights they are strong.

So when those full of envy are in office,
Knights retire to private life,
And rulers just bleed them with taxes.

When bureaucrats advance, people get hurt,
And then the nation is wounded.

When force brings loss of freedom,
A little flexibility can overcome a great power.

Where there is stasis in information,
Even the mighty and ferocious cannot conquer the small but secure.

Thus a man-eating tiger cannot swallow a single porcupine,
but a goat leash may be used harness nine gelded bulls.

There are impasses and successes as a matter of course:

One cannot prevail just by wits.

Fame may be gained or lost,
and cannot be achieved by force.

So even if you have no worldly ambitions,
You won't necessarily escape slander.

Even if you seek nothing from others,
Your advice won't necessarily be put into effect.

Those who save the world from chaos,
are not occupied with petty matters.

Those who accomplish the ongoing evolution of the world,
Are not conceited over small accomplishments.

So that which cuts rotting flesh is not to be considered a sharp sword,
And that which penetrates a naked body is not to be considered a good bow.
 
The average American citizens are electing their government.
Would they vote for a politician who said:
Americans,we have to pay back our debts. The way to achieve it is higher taxes and lower spending.
Vote for me and I guarantee that in 50 years time living standards in the US will start increase!

Not only the "Average citizens" but also the uneducated and uninformed citizens that only go by the media's presentation of a candidate. There were people that thought Obama was going to actually pay they're mortgage payments or come up with some system to help.

One of the biggest downfalls was when banks even considered giving loans to people that could not make the payments.
 
wow, nice bash america thread.. (n)
can we make a bash the uk thread too?

It's very easy to just throw number up there, statistics can always be skewed to make a point ;)
The US is still #1 in my books :)

enjoy your thread..lol
 
It's not bashing America or at least I don't think of it that way. I mean the country was built on being able to live with the freedom to question which they think should, can or can't be bettered. If you ignore problems they don't get fixed. I don't really think having this thread is a big deal myself.

There has been other threads about problems in other countries in the forums, America is not being singled out beyond the scope of the thread, nor do I think the point of this thread was a comparative instrument to be gauged against other countries...I mean I am pretty sure it wasn't like that at all it was more of a genuine concern by another US citizen.

Not arguing with you on statistics though...
enjoy your thread..lol
Will do... :) this thread has already brought me joy
 
My point was why single out the UK for a thread which was started by one of your countrymen?
 
My point was why single out the UK for a thread which was started by one of your countrymen?
okay, fair point
This just doesn't seem like a constructive thread to have on a software support forum (and yes I know it's the off topic forum)
I know many power users here are in the UK, so that's the only reason I mentioned it as an example.

Carry on :)
 
wow, nice bash america thread.. (n)
can we make a bash the uk thread too?

It's very easy to just throw number up there, statistics can always be skewed to make a point ;)
The US is still #1 in my books :)

enjoy your thread..lol
Our politicians as not America. They're as far removed from real America and the Chinese to whom they are selling our future. Thats the problem. Politicians of both parties are using entitlements to buy votes from various special interest groups, spending money they don't have and selling the future of my children and grandchildren to China.

Vladimir Lenin said:
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

"It would be the greatest mistake, certainly, to think that concessions mean peace. Nothing of the kind. Concessions are nothing but a new form of war."

"The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency."

“A lie told often enough becomes truth”

"The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses”
Five far too accurate quotes. I have no doubt the modern democrats and the liberal media accomplices are working from this playbook.

I will add my own quote...

The difference between republicans and democrats is the difference between the signature on the front of the check and the endorsement on the back. In either case, money is still being spent - money we don't have.
 
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