The demise of Reddit is happening right now. Thoughts?

[Suzanne O]

It leads to this point.
I've had run ins with both the staff and some people who tend to argue with others.
I've had about 4 infractions that have given me 3 days off.
This isn't about the staff here.
It's about those that choose to bicker when somebody's geniunely asking for help.
Please watch what you say to others.
I personally do not care how many posts you have. It's what's in them that worries me greatly.
An example as such was with a bloke wanting some help with a blog addon.
I went in and read a few posts noticing there was some bickering.
Instead of adding to the fuel i reported the posts. Letting staff know that the same select few were bickering.

 

[ForumFan]

I monetize via adsense.
They some times flag us for censorship. It appears to be AI driven because they pickup stuff that is out of context. Or maybe someone reported a page.

I started a custom field only available to admins. Once i check off a box that specific thread gets de-googled. No ads, no analytics. Submit back to adsense for review and voila they are happy and I lose a few hundred page views monetization.
No add-on. Just some XF If template mods and tge CF custom field feature.

Also… i have a custom add-on that allows a user to disable CF censorship. Those users can post 4-letter words and see them posted. Default users and guests see **** while those that disable it see the word.

My point is that XF allows for amazing moderation.

Plus moderating is not firm and binary.
Every incident requires discernment.

I didn't quite understand that, admittedly. But it sounds like a lot of trouble. I have not monetized my forum, yet. Not sure if or how I will. If I do, it will mostly likely be with ads for directly contracted private companies.

One thing I will NOT tolerate is for any advertiser to interject any coercion regarding the content of my forum.

 

[TPerry]

Oh heaven help us... now Huffman wants users to be able to "vote moderators out" and/or remove them.. simply because they took their sub-reddits private in protest... and now only about 80% of them are back live.... and it's apparently affecting the bottom line.

 

[Suzanne O]

Oh heaven help us... now Huffman wants users to be able to "vote moderators out" and/or remove them.. simply because they took their sub-reddits private in protest... and now only about 80% of them are back live.... and it's apparently affecting the bottom line.

Now do you understand why people are leaving?

 

[TPerry]

Now do you understand why people are leaving?

Not because of "over moderation".... In fact, what he's got issues with is not "people leaving" but moderators marking their subs private and depriving him of advertising income. When the #1 ranked sub is STILL in private mode in protest of his API decision... it is rather telling.
The simple fact is, he's trying his best to monetize it... and it turned around and bit him in the ass when many of those moderators that have worked tirelessly for free took offense at it and moved the sub to a private state... which then negatively impacted his revenue from ad sources.
THAT is why he's wanting to figure out a way to work around them.

Once more... I've never had an issue one in over 8 years of participating there... of course, I tend to abide by the rules in the sub-reddits I participate in. I wonder why I haven't had an issue?

 

[Arantor]

There are still a few thousand formerly public subreddits that have gone dark in protest at the monetisation situation.

 

[TPerry]

There are still a few thousand formerly public subreddits that have gone dark in protest at the monetisation situation.

yep... last I saw roughly 20% of them are still dark in protest.... and that's GOT to be eating Huffmans wallet heavily, considering that one of them is the #1 ranked sub of all of Reddit (r/funny).

 

[ForumFan]

There are still a few thousand formerly public subreddits that have gone dark in protest at the monetisation situation.

yep... last I saw roughly 20% of them are still dark in protest.... and that's GOT to be eating Huffmans wallet heavily, considering that one of them is the #1 ranked sub of all of Reddit (r/funny).

I know very little about Reddit, though I'm a member of one group that I mostly lurk on.

So, apparently the groups can go "private" on Reddit? And that affects ad revenue? I've never seen an ad on Reddit. Ever.

But, OK... if Reddit suffers when groups go private, can't Reddit just flip that switch and prevent groups from going private (and turn the private groups public)? What's stopping the owners of Reddit from doing that? It's their site. Their rules, right? Even if they change the rules.

 

[TPerry]

So, apparently the groups can go "private" on Reddit? And that affects ad revenue? I've never seen an ad on Reddit. Ever.

Yep... and apparently they do serve ads (I never see them since I use an ad-blocker now on my desktop). But the mobile app that Reddit has is saturated with ****ty ads. The moderators can choose to take their subs as private... and they then are not able to be seen by users.. and depending on the size of the site, it can be a noticeable impact.

It's one reason that Huffman is pushing to increase the API costs... seems that they don't tend to display the ads that the Reddit app (and website) does... and that failure means that Huffman & Co. can't profit from those ads that are not being shown.

But, OK... if Reddit suffers when groups go private, can't Reddit just flip that switch and prevent groups from going private (and turn the private groups public)? What's stopping the owners of Reddit from doing that? It's their site. Their rules, right? Even if they change the rules.

and that's currently one of the "sore" points... many of those moderators have devoted thousands of hours to get those sub-reddits in the shape their are in.. Huffman is simply pissed because they are costing Reddit monies in ad-revenue. Never mind the fact that his decision that impacts many thousands of users is at the heart of it.

Personally.. I use the base Reddit app.. and I get a **** ton of different ads in it....the other app that I played with showed no ads... so guess which side HuffPuff is going to come down on.. If you guessed the "more money for me in ads" side, you have won the kewpie doll.

 

[ForumFan]

and that's currently one of the "sore" points... many of those moderators have devoted thousands of hours to get those sub-reddits in the shape their are in.

Honestly, I don't understand the (apparent) sense of entitlement on the part of those "sub" mods. They're using a FREE platform that is owned by someone else. Their house, their rules. Just like Facebook... and YouTube.... etc.

I got tired of someone else's house. So I built my own forum. Now it's MY rules, not big tech's rules and moving goalpost wokeism.

And that's why forums are coming back.... strong.

 

[TPerry]

Honestly, I don't understand the (apparent) sense of entitlement on the part of those "sub" mods. They're using a FREE platform that is owned by someone else. Their house, their rules.

The current rules have nothing that prohibits it and gives them pretty much god powers... seems that Huffman wants to change the rules in the middle of the game since he's getting "slapped' by the results of his decisions.. and it's costing him.

I got tired of someone else's house. So I built my own forum. Now it's MY rules, not big tech's rules and moving goalpost wokeism.

And therein lay the major issue with ANY centralized structure like some (@sbj comes to mind) wants to espouse.

 

[cdub]

chainsaw cut up bodies images etc

Dude... What kind of site are you running?

This reminds me of AGES ago (maybe 2002?) when my student film forum was really popular someone asked if it was legal to kill their friend on camera for a film if they wanted to be killed. Had to report that the their local authorities.

 

[Taylor J]

There are still a few thousand formerly public subreddits that have gone dark in protest at the monetisation situation.

I had to finally make the full move over to Blind as CSCareerQuestions probably won't be coming back.

 

[Mr Lucky]

I got tired of someone else's house. So I built my own forum. Now it's MY rules, not big tech's rules and moving goalpost wokeism.

And that's why forums are coming back.... strong.

What, because of your rules?

I can see moving goalposts as bad, but wokeism is really just another word for treating all people with respect. Obviously there are niche forums that may not want inclusivity and respect for all people so I don't think we can generalise about such things.

 

[Wing]

What, because of your rules?

I can see moving goalposts as bad, but wokeism is really just another word for treating all people with respect. Obviously there are niche forums that may not want inclusivity and respect for all people so I don't think we can generalise about such things.

I must say there are ways to respect one another, without throwing certain ideologies and thoughts into your users face. That begins to get disrespectful tbh. I believe that is what it means when people are against "wokeism".

 

[Forsaken]

I had to finally make the full move over to Blind as CSCareerQuestions probably won't be coming back.

Blind was pretty good when companies were being very anti-employee, but it's mostly turned into my company vs your company... Which kind of defeated most of the purpose of blind in the first place.

Someone at Apple calling out someone at Microsoft, and then some random no name company with 3 employees taking digs at both. It's everything that was terrible about Reddit mixed with the LinkedIn community, all made worse by the fact that it is private.

 

[Mr Lucky]

throwing certain ideologies and thoughts into your users face.

That applies to woke or unawake.

I like to think I'm woke but hopefully don't throw any ideologies or thoughts in users' faces.

In fact the unwanted throwing of ideologies or thoughts can apply to anyone, woke or unwoke.

 

[Wing]

That applies to woke or unawake.

I like to think I'm woke but hopefully don't throw any ideologies or thoughts in users' faces.

In fact the unwanted throwing of ideologies or thoughts can apply to anyone, woke or unwoke.

Well then one must define what "woke" is, or what "un-woke" is. Because in current times, I see tons of places, including Reddit blasting woke ideologies or banners all over the place for the last couple years (BLM as one example). Especially on boards where those topics are completely irrelevant to the subreddit focus, or forum topic itself. I dont see the same from "unwoke". Infact the "unwoke" (again, whatever that is as well... since I guess these terms need to be defined), never seem to be relevant with banners, logos, hivemind moderation ect.

That is the entire point that Patriot was trying to make earlier. "Wokism" even when completely irrelevant to the focus and topic of the insititution or in our case... forum board... seems to still be required to be thrown into the users face. Same goes for LGBTQIA+ ect. None of that really needs to be presented at all in places where its completely irrelevant. Majority of the boards you see that stuff promoted (especially this month), are boards that the topic of discussion has nothing to do with discussing sexuality's or someone's gender. So why is this stuff even relevant? I believe thats one of those things that is also ticking people off with Reddit.

Heck, the other day I saw a "Animal Crossing" discussion board, subreddit, and Discord blasting LGBTQIA+ banners, statements, and videos all over the place... which literally have nothing to do with their topic at hand. (I am guessing there are tons of younger audience members of that social board as well). This is where alot of people take the stance to keep this big-tech nonsense out of places it never really was relevant to be in... in the first place.

 

[cdub]

Heck, the other day I saw a "Animal Crossing" discussion board, subreddit, and Discord blasting LGBTQIA+ banners, statements, and videos all over the place... which literally have nothing to do with their topic at hand.

It's just people honoring pride month so that people who are LGBTQ+ feel included and welcomed. But alas that is oddly triggering to some people.

People take things WAY to seriously on the internet. A banner isn't going to make anyone gay... It's going to make people who are gay feel welcomed and included. I'm not gay but don't feel offended. I don't get this whole bud light thing. People are seriously triggered over the stupidest things.

But we should probably end this part of the discussion soon as we're getting WAY off topic.

Back to topic - I'd love for Reddit Google results to be downgraded because of them being private so my forum ranks higher for some searches.

 

[Wing]

It's just people honoring pride month so that people who are LGBTQ+ feel included and welcomed. But alas that is oddly triggering to some people.

People take things WAY to seriously on the internet. A banner isn't going to make anyone gay... It's going to make people who are gay feel welcomed and included. I'm not gay but don't feel offended. I don't get this whole bud light thing. People are seriously triggered over the stupidest things.

But we should probably end this part of the discussion soon as we're getting WAY off topic.

Back to topic - I'd love for Reddit Google results to be downgraded because of them being private so my forum ranks higher for some searches.

Hey I totally understand that - but why is that relevant to the topic of discussion? Animal Crossing has nothing to do with discussions of sexuality or gender right? And Reddit forcing that on all subreddits under their banner itself is also the main big-tech issue here.

Also remind me why none of these spaces ever honor a month to military, or Heck… Straight people? When is any of that ever forced onto people? Just being real here. So yes - people are exhausted with these big-tech “woke” being forced down people’s necks in places it has no relevance in. Look, I totally understand honoring BLM or LGBQ in places where it makes sense (political subreddits, boards, discussion boards, dating boards ect). But the spaces where it is not appropriate or relevant, is what ends up ticking people off. That’s just the reality of how some people feel with Reddit.