AzzidReign
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That reminds me, get rid of lawyers too. I need to add them to that list above.
The 4th Amendment to The Constitution goes bye-bye
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EQnoble
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What I think azzid is saying is this...if I plant monsanto beans in my soil...and the wind or something carries genetic material to your piece of land and repopulated mixing my monsanto heredity containing beans...monsanto can sue you and will win or you will have to pay the outrageous price for them. The problem with their productivity is they are a private company getting laws made to suit them.
Anthony Parsons
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So that comes back to Capitalism being an unsustainable model which needs to be changed...
Sadik B
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The US media is a factory of pushing biased stories which benefit the establishments which the media house is affiliated with. CNN, FOX have their right-ish agenda and MSNBC and HuffPo will push their left world views. The worst part about it is that most established media houses around the world rely on their foreign and world news from American agencies. Successive US govts have successfully managed to convince the people that they indeed are the most free society in the world while at the same time legislating laws which take away more and more of their freedom.
Singapore is perhaps the best example of a country and government which says what it does. The govt does not make any false promises that people have indefinite liberty and freedom. Everyone is told what the laws are and what they are meant for and it is one of the world's finest places to live in. The development and comfort one enjoys in Singapore is second to none. This comparison is indeed unfair given the diversity and size of the United States compared to a small nation like Singapore, but the point is that what the OP is pointing at is just one small example as how in the United States, the government and it's unlimited number of agencies dictates every single aspect of a person's life and still gets away with "presenting" itself as the champion of freedom.
Singapore is perhaps the best example of a country and government which says what it does. The govt does not make any false promises that people have indefinite liberty and freedom. Everyone is told what the laws are and what they are meant for and it is one of the world's finest places to live in. The development and comfort one enjoys in Singapore is second to none. This comparison is indeed unfair given the diversity and size of the United States compared to a small nation like Singapore, but the point is that what the OP is pointing at is just one small example as how in the United States, the government and it's unlimited number of agencies dictates every single aspect of a person's life and still gets away with "presenting" itself as the champion of freedom.
Anthony Parsons
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I wish I could like that 100 times Sadikb... so well stated. I actually refer to the US as a communist country (dictatorship), as that is the model it tends to depict most when looking in present day, not how it used to be once upon a time.
I am fascinated by New York though... so many people living in one city. Looking forward to visiting that place one day.
I am fascinated by New York though... so many people living in one city. Looking forward to visiting that place one day.
Adam Howard
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My fellow American's are pathetic. We pride ourselves by saying how much we value our freedoms, our rights, and our civil libraries. We talk endlessly on how willing we are to fight and defend ourselves and our rights.
And yet every time The Government takes any action, to which restricts or limits those rights, sometimes even taking away our rights... The majority of American's will rationalize it and defend the actions of our Government.
We've been come a nation of talkers and not doers. We have become a nation of compliance and not fighters. I look around at what was once a proud nation and while we still claim to be proud, we have become the saddest bunch of people on this earth.
I pity us.
And yet every time The Government takes any action, to which restricts or limits those rights, sometimes even taking away our rights... The majority of American's will rationalize it and defend the actions of our Government.
We've been come a nation of talkers and not doers. We have become a nation of compliance and not fighters. I look around at what was once a proud nation and while we still claim to be proud, we have become the saddest bunch of people on this earth.
I pity us.
Jason
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Never mind your broad generalizations, most everything you've laid out in this post is not unique to the U.S.
The U.S. hasn't collapsed, but sure we've taken a beating (the bigger they are, the harder they fall). The U.S. also isn't the only country in financial turmoil. Hell, gold and the dollar rose today because it turns out the EU (and even China) isn't doing quite so well as everyone had thought, and the euro is expected to slide even further.
Simply because something works elsewhere doesn't mean it will do well here. Yes, things need to change (spending, healthcare, broadband deployment, etc. etc.), and not all Americans (far more than you seem to think) are opposed to change, but rather don't agree with the alternatives law makers have presented thus far.
You'd do better not to paint 300+ million people with such a broad brush in the future.
Jason
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Hasn't this actually happened too? I knew very little about this until a few months ago, and even then it's because I'm a health nut and started to take an even greater interest in what I was eating. There's actually (or was) a pretty good documentary on Hulu about this very issue (i.e., Monsant0, GM corn, etc.).
EQnoble
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It has in fact happened several times and if you can think of gag order imagine it applied to whole states in reference to specific private companies.
Was it food, inc? These are clips from it.
The also have it on netflix or did at one time as well as a few of the other usual places.
There is also this ( not the video I'm sure) but basically it gives a different side of a company who is now profiting off of GM0 works.
http://bit.ly/8sk06W
TheLaw
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They smelled marijuana outside an apartment door, knocked loudly, and announced their presence. As soon as the officers began knocking, they heard noises coming from the apartment; the officers believed that these noises were consistent with the destruction of evidence. The officers announced their intent to enter the apartment, kicked in the door, and found respondent and others. They saw drugs in plain view during a protective sweep of the apartment and found additional evidence during a subsequent search.... warrantless searches are allowed when the circumstances make it reasonable, within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, to dispense with the warrant requirement. Thus, a warrantless entry based on exigent circumstances is reasonable when the police did not create the exigency by engaging or threatening to engage in conduct violating the Fourth Amendment...
What exactly am I missing here exactly? The Fourth Amendment is not "gone." The protection is simply not available when a police intrusion is deemed reasonable and necessary and where the circumstances don't provide ample time to obtain a warrant. What seems to have happened here is that a couple of pot smokers decided to light up and didn't have great fumigation. The officers claim they could easily smell the unique and identifiable and then, after announcing themselves, heard these people go into panic and removal/destruction mode based upon the noise they heard in the apartment. I don't see anything remotely resembling a situation where the police just decided to pick out some random door to break down for kicks, as if these officers had any motive to do so. Yes, there are times when police officers exceed their bounds. But this is usually an exception to the rule. What officer wants to get fired (and have the city sued) for a clear privacy violation? Why did these officers knock down this door and not another? What motive?
I didn't read the whole case but I started reading the dissent. J. Ginsburg believes that the above exception is still fine - she just believes that the police had ample time to get a warrant and disagrees that it falls under "exigent circumstances." I don't know how often the Honorable R.B. Ginsberg has experienced her neighbors smoking an extensive amount of doobage, so much so that the police should have had probably cause to search from a half mile away. What were the police to do? Spend an hour getting a search warrant hoping that the magic joint(s) would last an hour or more? Her reasoning is that the suspects would not have destroyed the evidence if the police would not have announced themselves and would have waited until they had a warrant to enter and then the stash could be discovered. Now this is assuming that there was a stash -- we found out afterwards that there was. But what if the defendants were all smoking up the remains of what was left? All the evidence would be gone.
I didn't see Ginsberg concerned about the dangers of police intrusion from the "smell test". The court doesn't seem concerned about that standard - that part is fine - they are only concerned as to when the police can knock down your door, not if.
What exactly am I missing here exactly? The Fourth Amendment is not "gone." The protection is simply not available when a police intrusion is deemed reasonable and necessary and where the circumstances don't provide ample time to obtain a warrant. What seems to have happened here is that a couple of pot smokers decided to light up and didn't have great fumigation. The officers claim they could easily smell the unique and identifiable and then, after announcing themselves, heard these people go into panic and removal/destruction mode based upon the noise they heard in the apartment. I don't see anything remotely resembling a situation where the police just decided to pick out some random door to break down for kicks, as if these officers had any motive to do so. Yes, there are times when police officers exceed their bounds. But this is usually an exception to the rule. What officer wants to get fired (and have the city sued) for a clear privacy violation? Why did these officers knock down this door and not another? What motive?
I didn't read the whole case but I started reading the dissent. J. Ginsburg believes that the above exception is still fine - she just believes that the police had ample time to get a warrant and disagrees that it falls under "exigent circumstances." I don't know how often the Honorable R.B. Ginsberg has experienced her neighbors smoking an extensive amount of doobage, so much so that the police should have had probably cause to search from a half mile away. What were the police to do? Spend an hour getting a search warrant hoping that the magic joint(s) would last an hour or more? Her reasoning is that the suspects would not have destroyed the evidence if the police would not have announced themselves and would have waited until they had a warrant to enter and then the stash could be discovered. Now this is assuming that there was a stash -- we found out afterwards that there was. But what if the defendants were all smoking up the remains of what was left? All the evidence would be gone.
I didn't see Ginsberg concerned about the dangers of police intrusion from the "smell test". The court doesn't seem concerned about that standard - that part is fine - they are only concerned as to when the police can knock down your door, not if.
EQnoble
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I have been on the bad end of an illegal investigation....it has ruined my professional life. I smoke marijuana because I live in debilitating pain. How is smoking weed in your home that dangerous that one needs to physically damage property and ransack a home for someone burning a plant that grows almost everywhere naturally. You can die from aspirin, how many people do you know died from smoking weed and please cite them if you feel like trying to knock me off of this pedestal. Would you rather stop a murderer or a pot smoker? When was the last time that stopping someone smoking a phattie saved even one life?
How many of you smoke weed...don't answer. Think about it...do you believe if weed was that potent that you could smell it from a half mile away that you would be able to locate it's source? Lemme guess the wind stopped blowing for 30 minutes and they could follow the scent right to the house because of their super police olfactory sensors. One time I had a blunt in my car that I put out and talked to the officer who pulled me over and suggested I do what I am in a more secluded area, my home if possible. I was driving with a blunt lit and he was behind me with his air system on and he could not smell it until he walked up to my door and only after he leaned in to grab my identifiers from me.
Here is my whole point. I have been illegally searched...they found nothing and because of that to protect themselves and the local station they planted evidence on me and I got a 2 year suspended jail sentence because they got a bad tip that I had weed on me right then...naturally they did the right thing and planted less than a gram of weed on me and yes that is what my two year suspended sentence was for. I was pulled over and harassed at least once a day for weeks until I stopped talking to the officers in the way I raised to and said "gtfo off my sack before I effing sue you." It stopped after that. I had to become an I'll sue you ick-de-head to get the police to leave me alone...what a way to assert our values here in this country huh?
This is the perspective from someone who crap like this actually affects and therefor in my opinion no one can be more right than me. You try losing your freedoms because you would like to have the same quality of life as the next person and then you will understand...until then you just think you know. Period.
A piece of tin on your chest doesn't not make a man...and I will only respect officers who earn the right to be proud of what they represent. By the way police raided a home in my state recently and turns out it was the wrong house based on falsified info....that is they figured out after they shot the guy who owned the house and attributed it to bad info. They still considered the secret raids a success however because they stopped two other houses full of gun toting and selling criminals. They also did not announce themselves apparently. My question is...how are they any better than the illegal arms dealers when things like this happen.
Remember I am admitting that I smoke marijuana medicinally here and have no problem when an officer does his job and catches me the legal way. I will even shake his hand as he hands me my PTA and thank him for his services. I have no reason to lie about the police in one specific jurisdiction setting me up and the local courts complying with and signing the reverse warrant they used against me a month later when they actually arrested me. Must be nice when the arresting officer has a brother who is the bail commissioner. That is why he is still a cop even though he has failed urine tests in the past and been suspended for testing positive for cocaine and also why I was not granted a sitting with the prosecutor and sent directly to the bail commissioner. Yeah he is mentally stable enough to be a cop and justifiably should be able to make a field call to kick my door in since he follows the law so well himself.
I'm all set with this incrementalism crap...this is the first step to saying "police can do whatever , whenever get over it". I will not get over it. Warrant or leave..if you try to enter my residence uninvited without a warrant and clearly stating your intentions....BOOM headshot...now you have something to book me on. Go call Danno. Like I will say to my last breath, I will gladly die for my family...you entering my home threatens them if I am telling you that you are not to enter.
For anyone thinking I took this too far...try living in fear as a teen because some cop has a boner for you and your life means nothing to him. Then spend a decade convincing yourself your not a bad person because you don't want to be in pain.
And for those of you thinking I hate cops don't lie to yourself...I have 3 in my family and that is just the actual police officers , state and local.... I will leave out higher ranking authorities I am in relation to as they are not pertinent here.
How many of you smoke weed...don't answer. Think about it...do you believe if weed was that potent that you could smell it from a half mile away that you would be able to locate it's source? Lemme guess the wind stopped blowing for 30 minutes and they could follow the scent right to the house because of their super police olfactory sensors. One time I had a blunt in my car that I put out and talked to the officer who pulled me over and suggested I do what I am in a more secluded area, my home if possible. I was driving with a blunt lit and he was behind me with his air system on and he could not smell it until he walked up to my door and only after he leaned in to grab my identifiers from me.
Here is my whole point. I have been illegally searched...they found nothing and because of that to protect themselves and the local station they planted evidence on me and I got a 2 year suspended jail sentence because they got a bad tip that I had weed on me right then...naturally they did the right thing and planted less than a gram of weed on me and yes that is what my two year suspended sentence was for. I was pulled over and harassed at least once a day for weeks until I stopped talking to the officers in the way I raised to and said "gtfo off my sack before I effing sue you." It stopped after that. I had to become an I'll sue you ick-de-head to get the police to leave me alone...what a way to assert our values here in this country huh?
This is the perspective from someone who crap like this actually affects and therefor in my opinion no one can be more right than me. You try losing your freedoms because you would like to have the same quality of life as the next person and then you will understand...until then you just think you know. Period.
A piece of tin on your chest doesn't not make a man...and I will only respect officers who earn the right to be proud of what they represent. By the way police raided a home in my state recently and turns out it was the wrong house based on falsified info....that is they figured out after they shot the guy who owned the house and attributed it to bad info. They still considered the secret raids a success however because they stopped two other houses full of gun toting and selling criminals. They also did not announce themselves apparently. My question is...how are they any better than the illegal arms dealers when things like this happen.
Remember I am admitting that I smoke marijuana medicinally here and have no problem when an officer does his job and catches me the legal way. I will even shake his hand as he hands me my PTA and thank him for his services. I have no reason to lie about the police in one specific jurisdiction setting me up and the local courts complying with and signing the reverse warrant they used against me a month later when they actually arrested me. Must be nice when the arresting officer has a brother who is the bail commissioner. That is why he is still a cop even though he has failed urine tests in the past and been suspended for testing positive for cocaine and also why I was not granted a sitting with the prosecutor and sent directly to the bail commissioner. Yeah he is mentally stable enough to be a cop and justifiably should be able to make a field call to kick my door in since he follows the law so well himself.
I'm all set with this incrementalism crap...this is the first step to saying "police can do whatever , whenever get over it". I will not get over it. Warrant or leave..if you try to enter my residence uninvited without a warrant and clearly stating your intentions....BOOM headshot...now you have something to book me on. Go call Danno. Like I will say to my last breath, I will gladly die for my family...you entering my home threatens them if I am telling you that you are not to enter.
For anyone thinking I took this too far...try living in fear as a teen because some cop has a boner for you and your life means nothing to him. Then spend a decade convincing yourself your not a bad person because you don't want to be in pain.
And for those of you thinking I hate cops don't lie to yourself...I have 3 in my family and that is just the actual police officers , state and local.... I will leave out higher ranking authorities I am in relation to as they are not pertinent here.
physicspirate
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Canada is the same way. Unfortunately, the majority of people feed off the trash that's in the paper, or on TV, and expect the sky to fall on them. Naturally, if you subscribe to the forced optional insertion of a GPS chip in your head, genetic profiling of your children, and routine colonoscopy during the tax season, the government will hold a paper thin umbrella over your head.
Thankfully, we live in a democratic society where ordinary people have the means to change what is happening by casting a ballot into a box
EQnoble
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This...is...EPIC. Thank you, I have laughed today.
physicspirate
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Anything that helps people for minimal cost is illegal thanks to pharmaceutical companies.
EQnoble
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Would you like to go for the hat trick?
Forsaken
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Tobacco companies*
Hemp has more uses than tobacco which was leading to the tobacco industry having issues at a time when the economy was beginning to have a recession (and eventually The Great Depression).
EQnoble
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<cough> Williahem ahem ahem </cough>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States said:Industrial hemp
Main article: Hemp
The decision of the United States Congress to pass the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 was based on hearings[21] reports.[22] In 1936 the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) noticed an increase of reports of people smoking marijuana, which further increased in 1937.[citation needed] The Bureau drafted a legislative plan for Congress, seeking a new law and the head of the FBN, Harry J. Anslinger, ran a campaign against marijuana.[23][24] Newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst's empire of newpapers began publishing what is known as "Yellow journalism", demonizing the cannabis plant and putting emphasis on connections between cannabis and violent crime.[25] Several scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry,[26][27][28] largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family.[26][28] They argue that with the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry.[26][29] They also believe that Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury and the wealthiest man in America, had invested heavily in the DuPont's new synthetic fiber, nylon, and considered its success to depend on its replacement of the traditional resource, hemp.[26][30][31][32][33][34][35][36] According to other researchers were completely different things than hemp important for DuPont in the mid-1930s: to finish the product nylon before its German competitors, to start plants for nylon with much larger capacity, etc.[37]
In 1916, United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) chief scientists Jason L. Merrill and Lyster H. Dewey created a paper, USDA Bulletin No. 404 "Hemp Hurds as Paper-Making Material", in which they concluded that paper from the woody inner portion of the hemp stem broken into pieces, so called hemp hurds, was "favorable in comparison with those used with pulp wood". Dewey and Merrill believed that hemp hurds were a suitable source for paper production.[38] In 2003 95 % of the hemp hurds in EU were used for animal bedding, almost 5% were used as building material. In addition, 70 to 80% of hemp fiber produced was used for specialty pulp for cigarette papers and technical applications.[39]
Hemp, bast with fibers. The stem in the middle.
In 1916 assumed the United States Department of Agriculture - partly based on the incorrect finding about hemp hurds of USDA Bulletin No. 404 - that the production of hemp would rise in the U.S. In reality, production fell until 1933 due to competition with other fibers and import. In 1933, production was only around 500 tons of hemp fiber per year. 1934-1935 the cultivation of hemp began to increase but still with a very low volume compared with other types of fibers and with no significant increase in production of paper from hemp.[40]
There was also a misconceptions about the intoxicating effects of hemp because it has the same active substance, THC, which is in the most potent substance cannabis strains. Hemp has normally a minimal amount of THC when compared to recreational cannabis strains but, but in the 1930's was THC not yet fully identified.[41] The method's FBN used for predicting the psychoactive effect of different samples of cannabis and hemp gave therefore confusing results
EQnoble
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Q:
What do you call a drug dealer with a license and a dispensary?
A:
Waiting for an answer to my joke...one biter please...
I do agree that the war on drugs is just another catchy phrase and is not effective at keeping people from wanting to do drugs. The problem is not that they are addicted to drugs...the problem is they wanted to do it in the first place. They should only be getting treatment if they want it. I will not force help upon someone until they are ready to admit they need help on their own or they will be back down the path of addiction. And besides do you know what the treatment is for heroin abusers...synthetic heroin or methadone. They are still doing drugs...only one is taxed though. Mission unaccomplished. Most people aren't getting arrested for drug related crime...they are getting arrested for actually just using because someone is telling them what they should not do to themselves as legal adults.
Not to quote a famous movie or anything...I do not use drugs...I smoke weed. Weed IS my treatment and I am not hurting you by smoking it...that is the point of that argument before. Weed was misclassified from the start. It is truly a misnomer under it's slang name...if you have ever seen a MJ plant at like 16-19 weeks maturity without flowering you would hardly call it a weed at all...if you tried to karate chop a 3/4 inch branch you would probably break your hand. The fibers from the plant make some of the most durable natural products and true to it's slang name it shoots up like a weed so a sustainable resource is available that can be easily cultivated for many besides it's medicinal properties in little time at all. Compare that to a regrow area in Oregon which may take many years for the trees to reach a maturity at which they can be harvested. Trees could then be limited to only being felled for building a house or furniture making or whatever instead of being sent to the mills to make paper.
I am all for not doing drugs don't get me wrong...but I am against classifying it as a drug. I do not even take aspirin because it is a drug nor do I take any medication ever for any reason. I smoke because when I do I can actually deal with and lower the pressure behind my eyes which sit in front of the spot that I swear some little evil thing is standing and kicking the inside of my skull. I just wanted to clarify that I am not some drug addict and that I am of sound mind.
This is where all hemp plants sit.
Division: Magnoliophyta
Class: Magnoliopsida
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus:Cannabis
This is where your beer drinkers favorite plant probably calls home. You probably know them as hops especially is your a Sam Adams fan.
Division: Magnoliophyta
(unranked): Eudicots
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus: Humulus
One can be easily controlled and taxed because of the fact that you have to process it and that takes licenses and distrobution and all that generates big income for people with large working capitoland one of them can be picked off the plant and dried (the flower which funnily enough on both the humulus and marijuana are only acquired from the females for human consumption...ahh nurturing mother nature.) and the whole plant is usable with very little waste product which when using a family of plants like these you find natural variation in them from region to region which shows that it is truley an adaptable plant family
So how can someone tell me I can use one and not the other again?
And why do bars have parking lots?
Gotta love inconsistency, the only reason why alcohol was re-legalized was because the mob was making a fortune running booze and people were dying trying to make themselves some bathtub gin.
Think about it which one is more harmful directly and indirectly to oneself and others.
What do you call a drug dealer with a license and a dispensary?
A:
Waiting for an answer to my joke...one biter please...
I do agree that the war on drugs is just another catchy phrase and is not effective at keeping people from wanting to do drugs. The problem is not that they are addicted to drugs...the problem is they wanted to do it in the first place. They should only be getting treatment if they want it. I will not force help upon someone until they are ready to admit they need help on their own or they will be back down the path of addiction. And besides do you know what the treatment is for heroin abusers...synthetic heroin or methadone. They are still doing drugs...only one is taxed though. Mission unaccomplished. Most people aren't getting arrested for drug related crime...they are getting arrested for actually just using because someone is telling them what they should not do to themselves as legal adults.
Not to quote a famous movie or anything...I do not use drugs...I smoke weed. Weed IS my treatment and I am not hurting you by smoking it...that is the point of that argument before. Weed was misclassified from the start. It is truly a misnomer under it's slang name...if you have ever seen a MJ plant at like 16-19 weeks maturity without flowering you would hardly call it a weed at all...if you tried to karate chop a 3/4 inch branch you would probably break your hand. The fibers from the plant make some of the most durable natural products and true to it's slang name it shoots up like a weed so a sustainable resource is available that can be easily cultivated for many besides it's medicinal properties in little time at all. Compare that to a regrow area in Oregon which may take many years for the trees to reach a maturity at which they can be harvested. Trees could then be limited to only being felled for building a house or furniture making or whatever instead of being sent to the mills to make paper.
I am all for not doing drugs don't get me wrong...but I am against classifying it as a drug. I do not even take aspirin because it is a drug nor do I take any medication ever for any reason. I smoke because when I do I can actually deal with and lower the pressure behind my eyes which sit in front of the spot that I swear some little evil thing is standing and kicking the inside of my skull. I just wanted to clarify that I am not some drug addict and that I am of sound mind.
This is where all hemp plants sit.
Scientific classification
Kingdom: PlantaeDivision: Magnoliophyta
Class: Magnoliopsida
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus:Cannabis
This is where your beer drinkers favorite plant probably calls home. You probably know them as hops especially is your a Sam Adams fan.
Scientific classification
Kingdom: PlantaeDivision: Magnoliophyta
(unranked): Eudicots
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus: Humulus
One can be easily controlled and taxed because of the fact that you have to process it and that takes licenses and distrobution and all that generates big income for people with large working capitoland one of them can be picked off the plant and dried (the flower which funnily enough on both the humulus and marijuana are only acquired from the females for human consumption...ahh nurturing mother nature.) and the whole plant is usable with very little waste product which when using a family of plants like these you find natural variation in them from region to region which shows that it is truley an adaptable plant family
So how can someone tell me I can use one and not the other again?
And why do bars have parking lots?
Gotta love inconsistency, the only reason why alcohol was re-legalized was because the mob was making a fortune running booze and people were dying trying to make themselves some bathtub gin.
Think about it which one is more harmful directly and indirectly to oneself and others.