The 4th Amendment to The Constitution goes bye-bye

Anthony Parsons said:
I don't think you have anything to worry about Jethro... its like that in most countries already, and police don't come near you for the sake of it... you have to have done something wrong. About time the US police got some powers... if a police officer in Australia approaches you on duty, you must comply with them otherwise it is an offence. All these laws are part of Australia already, so they can do their job. Again though... police here don't enter or approach someone unless they've done something wrong.

Its not uncommon to get off a train or be walking through the city, and see police with sniffer dogs. For those not carrying drugs, you don't have an issue... for those using or carrying drugs, you will soon have an issue! Again... don't do illegal things here, you won't even know the police are there. Do illegal things... you will know all about it quick enough.

More laws for police IMO.
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I'm sorry Anthony, no offense intended at all. But this is naivete' at its finest, if you think this is the way it is in every country.
In many countries, the police are part of the largest drug cartels known to man.
In other countries, the police use their power to pull young girls out of their homes and keep them as sex slaves, OR worse yet, they rape them and send them home, knowing their families will disown them because they've been disrespected and no man will want them.

No it's not that bad here in the States, but it's not the best either.
 
So isn't change then with more laws, less so called "freedom", which is proven to work more effectively in other countries using such systems, not a better way to go? Its like the gun mentality. You have guns so engrained within your culture, you can't imagine not having them, the sheer saving of lives that occur without them within the population as a majority. The American mentality can't get past, but the bad guys will have them. Well... no... when you remove weapons from a country, you literally remove them from everyone. Its amazing what comes out of the woodworks when you have a gun amnesty... $$$ to hand in your weapon/s, no questions asked.

The US has collapsed, it is in financial ruin, proving the current system does not work. What I don't understand, is why if most Americans even agree the system is broken, why be so opposed to change, using the best of other countries systems that are proven to work effectively, be robust and withstand recessions quite well overall, limiting them to months, instead of years!

I just shook my head at America rejecting the socialist medical system, which works quite effectively in most countries within the world, again, American citizens are so opposed to the current broken system where people are left to die or be rejected from life saving surgery, can't get basic issues treated without insurance, yet then oppose change to fix the system using what actually IS working extremely well in most other countries around the globe, being every single person pays for the medical system in their taxes, and everyone gets free medical care. Sure, you still have private insurance and physicians outside of this, but they become lesser an issue because the majority use the free services their taxes pay for when ill. If you have a heart attack, you don't need insurance, you get the same treatment and care as someone with the best insurance around. This is socialist medicine...

It seems Americans aren't happy either way, from what I read and watch via world news, CNN and our own news. In one breathe you admit its broken, but then you reject any viable solutions to change that are proven robust and work in other countries.
 
Losing our rights one at a time and people don't even realize it. We are sitting in a pot of water while it slowly heats up to a boil without noticing.

If it wasn't for my wife and her absolute need to be around her family, I'd be out of the country because the way I see it, America is a twirling log going around and around, down the toilet.

Less government = better life for all of us.
 
Remove capitalism and American would fix a whole realm of issues all in one fowl swoop.

America has the best agricultural system in the world, which is a socialism system within a primarily capitalist country. All countries should take a leaf out of the USA's book on how to correctly establish agriculture for the countries foundation. Extend that agricultural, shared mentality system throughout the country, America would be a true force to be reckoned with vs. its current global laughing stock status.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
Australia actually... and if you cannot debate without defending, attacking or arguing, please, there is no requirement to respond if you cannot respect others opinions.
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My reply was not meant to be an attack... It truly was my ideal opinion on your values to which you seem to be suggesting.... ie... A country with as little freedom as possible and as many enforcing laws to "protect" it's people. The closest example to your ideological example would indeed be China.
 
If you said North Korea, I would understand, but have you been to China lately? China is an extremely viable country to live within, as is Japan and most Asian regions, where you have plenty of rights. Singapore is fantastic... even though you will get fined for littering or the death penalty for drug smuggling, you could walk around it any time day or night, and is one of the safest countries in the world.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
If you said North Korea, I would understand, but have you been to China lately? China is an extremely viable country to live within, as is Japan and most Asian regions, where you have plenty of rights. Singapore is fantastic... even though you will get fined for littering or the death penalty for drug smuggling, you could walk around it any time day or night, and is one of the safest countries in the world.
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Sure if you do not mind censorship which is strictly enforced socially as well as through mainstream media, under the penalty of life in prison. And the risk of your human rights being violated. And lets not forget the automatic guilty plea the courts will submit on your behalf.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
Remove capitalism and American would fix a whole realm of issues all in one fowl swoop.

America has the best agricultural system in the world, which is a socialism system within a primarily capitalist country. All countries should take a leaf out of the USA's book on how to correctly establish agriculture for the countries foundation. Extend that agricultural, shared mentality system throughout the country, America would be a true force to be reckoned with vs. its current global laughing stock status.
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Agriculture? Do you not know what we do? Genetically modified food sound good to you? It definitely doesn't to me. Having these plants giving out their own pesticides, that once digested, the bacteria in your stomach consumes and then is able to produce pesticides too?! Oh yeah, that sounds like we are doing ourselves a good.

What America needs to do is to stop letting Big Pharmaceutical companies, Dairy industry, GMO producers (mainly Monsanto), other food industries that have become a monopoly thus degrading our food greatly (Tyson), and Walmart run our country. All these companies have reign over anything and can do anything. It's become a monopoly for each and the govt hasn't said a damn word. Why? Bc it produces the money for us. IMO, it's all dirty money.

And if people don't believe what I'm saying, then some research needs to be done by the uninformed folk.
 
TheVisitors said:
Sure if you do not mind censorship which is strictly enforced socially as well as through mainstream media
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Are you seriously trying to say that American media isn't heavily censored and biased towards only showing what will:
  1. pull ratings thus revenue,
  2. show the US in a good light to its own population,
  3. keep investors happy.
The US continually remove negative aspects from US history books, so children are not taught the real truths of US history, but only the good parts they want them to learn, like good little puppets.

I don't think you could throw stones at China for censorship if you live in America, to be perfectly honest.

Did you even know Canada burnt down your Whitehouse? Again, removed from American history books taught in schools.
 
AzzidReign said:
Agriculture? Do you not know what we do? Genetically modified food sound good to you? It definitely doesn't to me. Having these plants giving out their own pesticides, that once digested, the bacteria in your stomach consumes and then is able to produce pesticides too?! Oh yeah, that sounds like we are doing ourselves a good.

What America needs to do is to stop letting Big Pharmaceutical companies, Dairy industry, GMO producers (mainly Monsanto), other food industries that have become a monopoly thus degrading our food greatly (Tyson), and Walmart run our country. All these companies have reign over anything and can do anything. It's become a monopoly for each and the govt hasn't said a damn word. Why? Bc it produces the money for us. IMO, it's all dirty money.

And if people don't believe what I'm saying, then some research needs to be done by the uninformed folk.
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http://www.foodincmovie.com/ ...and monsanto patenting plant genes..wtf.

back to the main topic here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrantless_searches_in_the_United_States

This is what the problem with this is to anyone that doesn't get what the problem with this is. It is called process. You can't add a small something that circumvents the whole of one of the primary principles of which you are attempting to modify. That set's a bad precedent.

and relating to censorship and the food thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws
 
AzzidReign said:
Agriculture? Do you not know what we do? Genetically modified food sound good to you? It definitely doesn't to me. Having these plants giving out their own pesticides, that once digested, the bacteria in your stomach consumes and then is able to produce pesticides too?! Oh yeah, that sounds like we are doing ourselves a good.
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This has nothing to do with the US agricultural makeup... the financial robustness of the US agricultural industry is one of the best in the world, certainly one area Australia should look upon, as well as most countries. Growers collectively produce, they support one another, they work as a socialist community to produce their produce and do it profitably. They share resources heavily. Many countries agriculture are falling down, because doing it individually only takes one flood or drought to wipe out one, but not another, yet can impact every consumer within the country vastly, let alone export.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
Are you seriously trying to say that American media isn't heavily censored and biased towards only showing what will:
  1. pull ratings thus revenue,
  2. show the US in a good light to its own population,
  3. keep investors happy.
The US continually remove negative aspects from US history books, so children are not taught the real truths of US history, but only the good parts they want them to learn, like good little puppets.

I don't think you could throw stones at China for censorship if you live in America, to be perfectly honest.

Did you even know Canada burnt down your Whitehouse? Again, removed from American history books taught in schools.
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Actually, yes I did know that. And they do teach that in schools (even today).

Is American media censoring... Yes, but not to the extent of China is (at least for now). Is it getting worse here... Yes, it is. Do I think we should do something... Oh hell ya.

But we're still better (at least for now) then China when it comes to rights, equality, freedoms, and speech.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
This has nothing to do with the US agricultural makeup... the financial robustness of the US agricultural industry is one of the best in the world, certainly one area Australia should look upon, as well as most countries. Growers collectively produce, they support one another, they work as a socialist community to produce their produce and do it profitably. They share resources heavily. Many countries agriculture are falling down, because doing it individually only takes one flood or drought to wipe out one, but not another, yet can impact every consumer within the country vastly, let alone export.
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You do know the farmers are getting effed in the arse in America right? We may be profitable but it's bc of what Monsanto is doing and forcing upon the farmers. Farmers have to take these low pay rates while Monsanto has huge mark ups for the bullsh*t GM food they are stuffing down our throats. The financial benefit is short term IMO. The long term effect of their short term goes will be the deterioration of the minds and bodies of Americans and anyone that eats the food we produce.

As stated, Monsanto is a huge monopoly and has really screwed a lot of farmers over. Farmers aren't happy here. Getting fined for things that are acts of God (if a Monsanto patented GM seed happens to make it to your farm where you are an organic farmer and don't use their bs they are pushing, they sue you for it!).

I'm sorry for taking this topic slightly off track but it seems you feel something that is a plus in our country...it's actually a minus. There are better things our government can do to make more money but they are not smart enough to see it.
 
TheVisitors said:
Actually, yes I did know that. And they do teach that in schools (even today).
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Canada did not burn down Washington...it was British North America and the person ordering the attack was British Military

Governor-General Sir George Prevost of Canada wrote to the Admirals in Bermuda calling for a retaliation for the American sacking of York and requested their permission and support in the form of provision of naval resources. At the time, it was considered against the civilized laws of war to burn a non-military facility and the Americans had not only burned the Parliament but also looted and burned the Governor's mansion, private homes and warehouses.[5]
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Interesting....

Do you think that something that must change in America is the ability to sue one another so readily?

Step outside America, you can't sue someone so easily, you can't sue for being offended, there are no million dollar payouts or such nonsense. If you get injured, you get money to cover your costs and loss of income, but that's it... there are no punitive damages. Is this something that is cripling America as well?
 
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