Somewhat surprising to see vB with up to a 1yr time frame to make vB4 a 'gold' quality release. Seeing what xF have done already in this short time leads me to think xF can head them off at the pass. If xF can pull off a good release in 5 months with a solid vB migration tool, well vB are in big trouble.. I just thought I would highlight what I need at a minimum to migrate my million post forum to xF: -comprehensive vB import tool -xF groups so that my social groups can also come over -a gallery system that can import vbgallery (currently I am using vBgallery so maybe xF can get photopost working on this now) That's roughly it, so I'll keep my eyes peeled. Why do I think xF is the answer? Well.. people do not buy what you make, they buy why you make it. Kier and these guys seem genuine in why they are doing this and that appeals to me. vB has taken the corporate all mighty dollar approach and it shows not only in their customer service failures but software.