I've had a look at Jake's guide for forum backup and see that shell access is recommended. That requires a move to a different sever and extra charges from my host. Before I go that route, I looked at what is in the standard server tools (linux). It has backup, backup wizard and phpmyadmin. From what I can tell these programs can do backup work BUT will only restore back to their original source. So if I mess up a backup, I'd just be swapping garbage around. The idea of using shell access to restore to a different directory sounds like it should be more flexible. It would let me do some testing to see if things worked correctly. Is this valid or is there a lot more to a restore in terms of redirecting everything to work with the new directory? I am a total noob at this.