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SEO for XenForo

Discussion in 'XenForo Pre-Sales Questions' started by Reach, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. Reach

    Reach New Member

    Do you know of a SEO-plugin for XenForo that could be as good as vBSEO-plugin for vBulletin?

    I don't want that my users register and login on each forum, on each blog, on each Magento shop seperately. Can you recommend me a bridge?

    Which wiki software can be connected with XenForo, Magento, CMS, and blog?

    Which CMS and blog are connectable to each other and which CMS and blog that is connectiable to Magento, XenForo and Wiki do you recommend?

    How is the mobile accessibility of XenForo?

    When approximately will be the final release of XenForo?

    Are there any plans to start an affiliate program for XenForo?
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  2. Blandt

    Blandt Well-Known Member

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  3. Jaxel

    Jaxel Well-Known Member

    This is something I wrote on another forum... (modified for XenForo)

    All you need are keyword friendly SEO slugged urls... which XF already has built in. Everything else is snake oil. The way search engines work these days are with "linkbacks". The more OTHER websites that mention your website, the higher your rank will be. This is one of the reasons why signature spam bots are so prevalent; they don't want to spam your users; what they want is the links in their signature to mention other websites and boost the search ranking of those websites.

    Nothing that VBseo can do will be able to get other websites to mention your website... short of creating its own bot network to spam your website on other forums and blogs. FaceBook integration is a good way to create linkbacks, as it lets people mention content from your website onto facebook. See I just can't see the justification of spending $ 150 on a product that not only hinders performance on your server, but is also available for free in other solutions; built into XF itself. Vbseo is not going to magically make your website more popular like it claims it will... and I am always wary of anyone who promises you the moon, when you know they can't deliver.

    Just recently, vbSEO announced their "Like Tree" feature, which they claim will "change the way we use forums forever". Excuse me? Its a list of posts in a thread, with the number of likes it has received... whats revolutionary about that? People are not going to go to into a thread and click on the highest liked posts on this list to find "answer posts". That will often leave posts out of context if you don't read the posts before it. Its just something that looks nice, but in the end serves almost zero usable function.

    The ironic thing about it... back when Webrings were popular, this is NOT how search engines worked. Back then, search engines sorted by meta information and general popularity; webrings had zero effect on the standing within a search engine. Now that the function of a webring is more powerful than ever, no one uses them. Hah!
  4. krystofo

    krystofo New Member

    Sure glad I clicked on this thread. Good questions and good answers. "Wiki" and "Blog" should be in the thread title, in addition to "SEO."

    I recently decided to buy Xenforo... even though it is beta... even though there is a lawsuit... and even though I assumed there was not yet any wiki or blog bridge. Because Xenforo promises to be much more efficient, and also, I just don't like the other options. (IPB: never warmed up to them. Vbulletin: outdated code; question mark in URL may limit spiders; reportedly endless bugs; lack of replies even in pre-sales forum; and their promise of "free updates for life" just makes me wonder how many months before they create Vb5 and announce that we must buy the "new program" for a paltry 10% discount...)

    At first, I was very hesitant, even dismissive, about Xenforo. Mainly, I assumed there was not yet significant third party modifications. This was put to rest in discussions at Webdesign forums.net. Also today, I am pleased to read (in the beta 4 release announcement) that Xenforo has that famous "PHP hook" to facilitate modifications.

    ...And now I am very glad to hear I was wrong again: there are already wiki and Wordpress bridges...

    Also I am interested in the SEO views of JAXEL which seem similar to my own...
    I have not been active in SEO for two years, so my views don't carry much weight. JAXEL seems currently active, so I am interested in his views. My further thoughts...
    1. Time ago, before so-called SEO-URLs, there was a VB add-on that produced an "archival list," making thread titles into hyperlinks, and posting them on a single page. This often showed up in Google searches. I suspect that such a program could be more powerful than SEO-URLs if the webmaster does standard link exchange.
    2. There are many SEO refinements that can be done, but I am not talking. Internet SEO is like Blackjack Card Counting. The more people who do the latest gimmick, the more that the search engines (or casino managers) will clamp down. Not to mention the simple fact that there are only 20 spaces on that SERP page. If you have any bright ideas, keep them to yourself.
    3. SEO-URLs probably do help a little. The ever-changing secret Google algorithm probably does give some weight to URL content, just as they give some weight to page content.
    4. If you are serious about SEO, best be glad that most forum owners are not-so-serious.
    5. For the not-so-serious forum owner, SEO-URLs probably are an easy and appropriate compromise for SEO value. And there is not much point in trying harder as a standard option.
    6. P.S.--see JAXEL's reply below--clarifying that SEO-URLs ("URL plugs") are worthwhile. Thank you, JAXEL.
    7. It also has occurred to me that webrings "should" be usable for valuable linkage. Now thanks to JAXEL, I will give a higher priority to look into webrings.
    8. (But everyone here please do not spread the word. ;) )
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  5. Jaxel

    Jaxel Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying seo slugs are worthless... They are actually very powerful... I'm just saying the seo slugs in vbseo won't be much more powerful than the built in slugs with vb4 or xf, if at all.
  6. Xarcell

    Xarcell Well-Known Member

    I know right? A webring would go a long way right about now.
  7. Jaxel

    Jaxel Well-Known Member

    Well out of curiosity, I looked into it... as it turns out, there is a reason why "webrings" are dead...

    According to this page, a webring falls under "Excessive reciprocal links or excessive link exchanging ("Link to me and I'll link to you.")". If they catch you violating these guidelines, they will actually ban your website from their indexer.
  8. Anthony Parsons

    Anthony Parsons Well-Known Member

    XF requires zero seo solutions beside long tail capture, as it has everything that Google focuses upon already built-in, being:
    • keyword friendly URL's
    • light page sizes (well constructed HTML5)
    • relevant content is positioned optimally via CSS for indexing
    • well developed internal link structure
    There is now a long tail keyword mod in the addon forum which finishes off what VBSEO primarily achieved in VB software... apart from making its pages light in size.

    I have used sitemaps and such, and they achieve little to nothing, as Google still prefers to find pages based on spidering, not being told where they are. They used to work well, though Google uses them little these days. Google figures have never equated on what they say they spider via a sitemap and what they have indexed. Pure waste of time and energy.

    XF can't get you inbound links... that you have to do.

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