Piracy - The Battle

[MattW]

 

[Luxus]

My question is, why are you so concerned about potentially having a license revoked for using 3rd party addons? Surely if your using legitimate addons theres no issue?

At this point I will quote a part of my first post in this thread:

Those piracy discussions are not a good idea in my opinion. Because piracy can't effectively be stopped, they easily could lead to frustrations and ultimately affect legit users

You just need to link the dots. Just because someone is against anti-piracy measures doesn't mean he must be a pirate himself. Those discussions generally don't end well, with people suspecting each other and such.

I can also ask, what makes you sure that those who defend anti-piracy measures actually aren't pirates themselves, but act as if they were all for anti piracy only to blow suspicion away from themselves?

You know what I mean?

 

[Luxus]

Sure they can, if they work it into their license. However, it might not be very cost-effective to pursue every single person running pirated software.

No they can't. It would be against consumer laws.

 

[Biker]

If you didn't pay for the addon, yet you still use the addon by obtaining it from someone else who stole it, you're still using a pirated addon. Therefore, you are NOT a legitimate user and should have their license permanently revoked.

No amount of snake oil excuses will excuse you from the deplorable act. Pay for the addon, or loose the license. It's that simple and I'm all for it.

 

[Sheldon]

I can also ask, what makes you sure that those who defend anti-piracy measures actually aren't pirates themselves, but act as if they were all for anti piracy only to blow suspicion away from themselves?

You know what I mean?

I'm a

Actually, this is more of a thing to help our developers. Why you'd be against that is beyond me. If you are caught, without any doubts, you should face repercussions. If you aren't doing anything of that nature, then you have ZERO worries.

Why is that hard to see?

 

[Luxus]

If you didn't pay for the addon, yet you still use the addon by obtaining it from someone else who stole it, you're still using a pirated addon. Therefore, you are NOT a legitimate user and should have their license permanently revoked.

If you are talking about the license of those addons, of course. If you are talking about the XF license, that doesn't make you any better than EA banning your whole origin account because you charged your money back for a buggy SimCity.

 

[Biker]

If you are talking about the license of those addons, of course. If you are talking about the XF license, that doesn't make you any better than EA banning your whole origin account because you charged your money back for a buggy SimCity.

You break the license agreement, you loose the license. Why is THAT so hard to understand?

 

[Steve F]

I would revoke your account also if you didn't take it up with support first..Chargebacks are the number one way pirates get free paid addons..

 

[Luxus]

You break the license agreement, you loose the license. Why is THAT so hard to understand?

You talking about the XF license agreement? Again, there isn't anything that indicates using pirated third-party addons is in breach of the agreement. Perhaps KAM should elaborate on this at this point.

 

[Sheldon]

You talking about the XF license agreement? Again, there isn't anything that indicates using pirated third-party addons is in breach of the agreement. Perhaps KAM should elaborate on this at this point.

If you aren't using them, why are you concerned?

 

[Chris D]

Who gives a **** about the license agreement. Using pirated add-ons is WRONG.

Full stop.

 

[Mouth]

Do all listings need to be approved to be in the marketplace?
Or is it a special status that is awarded to a select few?

Those with a resource manager item with rating >= Good and >= 5 votes!?

 

[Luxus]

I would revoke your account also if you didn't take it up with support first..Chargebacks are the number one way pirates get free paid addons..

info: You are now ready to chat with Brian.
you: Hi
you: I would like to request a refund for the game SimCity that I bought on Origin. I cannot play the game because of consistent server issues. I deem the Product not working and by Norwegian Consumer laws I request a full refund and that the game is removed from my Origin Account.
you: Hello?
Brian: Hi. Thank you for contacting EA help, how may I help you?
you: I would like to request a refund for the game SimCity that I bought on Origin. I cannot play the game because of consistent server issues. I deem the Product not working and by Norwegian Consumer laws I request a full refund and that the game is removed from my Origin Account.
Brian: I am very sorry to hear that, do you have a digital or physical copy?
you: I have a digital copy
Brian: And you have already downloaded the game?
you: Yes, I preordered the game on 06.03.2013 and it was preloaded yesterday
you: I have been unable to play it because of server issues.
Brian: I apologize but we are unable to offer a refund on digital downloads. This is part of the terms of service found at the following link http://www.ea.com/terms-of-service Section 5, 9 discusses the refunds. You can find specific details by pressing CONTROL + F and searching for the key word "Refund". We are working on the servers and they are getting more stable. The game just released so I appreciate your patience. am sorry that we can not issue this refund. Is there anything else I could help you with today?
you: I am sorry, but this is unacceptable. Are you aware that you are in Clear violations of Norwegian Consumer laws? It is illegal to sell or advertise a defective Product Norway and not offer refunds if it is broken
you: What is the address and phone number of Your Norwegian Offices? I am going to report this to the consumer affairs Office, and would like this information for my report.
Brian: Norway 21 08 17 06 +47 21 08 17 06 Norwegian: 8AM-5PM GMT, Monday through Friday. That is all of the information I have for you at this time.
Brian: Because you have already downloaded the game we are not able to refund you for the product. But the servers will be fixed soon. I can promise you that.
you: Also, I will claim the charge on my credit card as fraud and have my bank follow through on this.
you: Your assurance of the server issues is of no concern to me, I have zero tolerance for issues like this.
Brian: If you do that it is possible that action will be taken against your origin account.
you: You have taken my Money an not delivered the promised Product.
Brian: I am very sorry, but the product will be fixed.
you: Is that a threat? What kind of action, I have other games there that is not affected.
you: Are you actually saying that you will Block my other games If i report this sale as fraud?
you: I want to be assured that my other Origin games will not be affected
Brian: If you claim a fraud charge against origin you face a chance of your account having action taking against it. I am very sorry, but you can not claim a charge back against that.
you: Of course I can, if you sell me a Product that is not working, it is clearly fraud. I will let this rest for a week, if the Product is yet not delivered to me in working order, I will claim that this is a fraudulent transaction.
Brian: If you do that your account will face action. Please have patience and give it sometime.
Brian: Thank you for contacting EA. Is there anything else I can help you with today?
you: No, thank you for nothing. I am disgusted that you can even think of threatening to Block my Origin account over this when it is you who are clearly in the wrong. Appalling.

 

[Russ]

You talking about the XF license agreement? Again, there isn't anything that indicates using pirated third-party addons is in breach of the agreement. Perhaps KAM should elaborate on this at this point.

SCRATCH

 

[Steve F]

I'm seeing a pattern here and it resembles a circle, can we get back to discussing ways developers can protect themselves as best as possible?

 

[Biker]

You talking about the XF license agreement? Again, there isn't anything that indicates using pirated third-party addons is in breach of the agreement. Perhaps KAM should elaborate on this at this point.

What part of this is so difficult to comprehend?

You may not use the software to engage in any activity that would violate the rights of third parties.

AND.....

This License, its subject matter or its formation (including non-contractual disputes or claims) shall be governed by and construed in accordance with English law and submitted to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. If an English Court judges any provision of this Agreement to be invalid, void, or unenforceable, the parties agree that the remaining provisions of this Agreement shall remain valid and enforceable.

Under English law, software theft/piracy is illegal.

 

[Kevin]

I'm seeing a pattern here and it resembles a circle, can we get back to discussing ways developers can protect themselves as best as possible?

Step #1: Keep an eye out for people who don't want to be held accountable for whom they give access to their account and are worried about having the licenses revoked for using pirated add-ons.

 

[Shelley]

I'm seeing a pattern here and it resembles a circle, can we get back to discussing ways developers can protect themselves as best as possible?

Good point. People will try to deter this topic and have it come from nothing but fruitless results, this should not happen.

A good start I feel is group everything together who wants results in fighting piracy draw up a plan, strategy and then bring it to the devs. << very brief I know but I think progress can only be started if there's a large group that really want to fight piracy and limit it as much as possible.

 

[Biker]

Step #1: Keep an eye out for people who don't want to be held accountable for whom they give access to their account and are worried about having the licenses revoked for using pirated add-ons.

Step #2: Communicate this information between developers to help ensure the integrity of the 3rd party addon program.

 

[Biker]

Step #1: Keep an eye out for people who don't want to be held accountable for whom they give access to their account and are worried about having the licenses revoked for using pirated add-ons.

Step #2: Communicate this information between developers to help ensure the integrity of the 3rd party addon program.

Step #3: Sites found using pirated copies of addons should be brought to the attention of XenForo for appropriate action.