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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by DroidHost, Oct 9, 2011.

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  1. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    Its pretty easy to say they accomplished nothing, because its just stating facts.

    Day after day, the idiocy coming out of those Occupy camps discredited themselves better than any outside source could have. Plus, you speak of them going "global". Perhaps because the movement originated in Canada from a pro-socialist organization? It was never a spontaneous, organic movement. That is why it failed. You can achieve critical mass with the lunatic fringe, college professors and idealistic college students, but that is not a sustainable movement.

    it was a flash in the pan, aided by a media desperate to counter the Tea Party, but it ultimately failed. You need only look at the opinion polls on the "movement" to see the American public does not support it.
  2. Pereira

    Pereira Well-Known Member

    ... and the Tea Party was about what?
  3. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    I see no connection at all between the Occupy protests and the Tea Party.
    I use the word global because the Occupy protests spread around the globe.


    Heh. The Media as The Matrix.

    The reboot might not be far off.

  4. DroidHost

    DroidHost Well-Known Member

    I am not sure what is your point ..
    but I am going to demonstrate mine ...
    lets talk about occupy movement in Arab springs .... you should know that the Bahraini ppl start there movement before Syrian does ...
    and because many countries like USA and Saudi Arabia ,..etc hate the Syrian Government already so why not ! they just support that movement in Syria like if they really support the ppl choice .. even so now I believe they may overcome the original movement by there men ...
    However, in the other hand , Bahrain who is one of the biggest Alie of US and they have the 3rd fleet in Bahrain soil .... they don't even mention them in the news ! nothing at all ... the ppl there are dying every day .... but what we may have the balls to call it the The international community did not say much ! and Bankimon like if he has no voice and his eyes is seeing only Syria ...

    Don't even mention the movement in Saudi Arabia which still till today

    I would like a world without politicians ... we may live all together in Peace
  5. SchmitzIT

    SchmitzIT Well-Known Member

    The UN is a bureaucratic agency of professional paper pushers. It's like government on a global level, and as such is more part of the problem than the solution.
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  6. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    Limited government, Constitutional authority, fiscal restraint, states rights, non-activist strict constructionist courts, debt reduction, repealing Obamacare.

    Need I continue?
  7. Pereira

    Pereira Well-Known Member

    and as a result featured conspiracy theories, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia... shall I continue?

    I guess you see what you want to see when you look at both. I've never been in favor of either and the hypocrisy from both sides is quite disturbing looking in as an outsider.
  8. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    Indeed. Hence the sovereign debt downgrade to AA+
  9. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    I think you'll find that any anti-semitism comes from the left, not the conservatives that make up the Tea Party. If anything, one of their biggest complaints is the way this administration has abandoned Israel.

    Homophobia, like racism, is a rhetorical charge that means "you aren't giving into us". I've never had any problem with gays in the military, I've always felt our professional soldiers can adapt to any challenge and that it was pretty much non-issue. I do have a problem with the federal government creating gay marriage as a right. I do not have a problem with individual states recognizing or forbidding gay marriage; extending or denying reciprocity to other states that do or do not. That doesn't make me a homophobe, nearly someone who has read the US Constitution.

    As for our national debt, as much of a travesty as it is, at least it is our sovereign debt. We'll add the EU to one more socialist experiment that failed. If there was a penalty free opt-out close, you know Germany would (and should) run quickly for the exit. The UK should be hot on their heals.
  10. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    Well .... every country in the world that has a AAA rating on their sovereign debt has more robust social programs than the United States.
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  11. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    And have their nation defense augmented by the US. If propping up their less than capable armed forces isn't the ultimate social program, I don't know what is.
  12. craigiri

    craigiri Well-Known Member

    Basically about Republicans who could not use the name because of Bush but still wanted power....

    Same old, same old.
  13. craigiri

    craigiri Well-Known Member

    That is not because they love Jews, but because their crazy preachers convinced them the rapture is at hand (yes!) and that it happens in Israel.

    Since the VAST percentage of American Jews are on the left - and since Israel is a socialist country, you'd have a hard time putting them into a basket with the American right...other than they both want to use each other (Israel for the money, arms and support and the Right for the rapture and their love of general violence).
  14. craigiri

    craigiri Well-Known Member

    You are talking about Israel again?

    As you know, they get more foreign aid per capita than any other country, much in the form of arms programs.
  15. craigiri

    craigiri Well-Known Member

    Actually, a top (and I mean TOP) Republican Operative gave me an accurate portrayal of the TR and how the GOP uses it.....it's also educational in the fact that the GOP clearly knows about the "hate" stuff, yet wants to take advantage of the TP never the less.


    Here are some snippets. Read it. It's good to know how you are being used and then cast aside before you cheer for a team:
    "“The Tea Party is a short term destabilizing force in current-day party politics, and the GOP does not want it to survive, period. Now, we’re not going to affirmatively and visibly attack them, however soft power is being used to subsume/absorb them into the GOP, as they grow weary of the game and fizzle out. The main complaint about the Tea Party, and let’s be clear here, that is the identified source and origin of most of this, is that they are an unorganized group of political amateurs, who have forsaken responsibility and moderation for publicity and the quick flash of what they perceive is “power.”
    They are trading hate for votes, and we know it. The problem from our side, from the national GOP side, is that the media has focused on them because they make a good story… and this creates the internal perception of “power” amongst the Tea Party “leadership,” which serves to reinforce their own perceptions of self-correctness, which in turn emboldens them to continue acting as before, because it got them attention, so it must work, right? It’s a positive feedback loop.
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  16. Pereira

    Pereira Well-Known Member

    Ok so there was no anti-semitism from any conservatives? Sure. Regardless, there was posters of the holocaust as well as anti-semetic rhetoric at Tea Party protests.

    The homophobia came from insults which were directed towards certain individuals in congress as well as certain remarks made by Tea Party nominees. I could talk about the racism directed toward Obama, the wild conspiracy theories about his birth cert and so on but I don't see any point.

    Europe has mixed economies and is far from "socialist". Ideals such as health care are seen a right instead of a privilege. US debt may be sovereign however printing more money doesn't solve your debt either, it just prolongs it and as a result it gets bigger and bigger. It also leads to greater devaluation of currency.

    I could discuss this more in depth but I realise this is a software support forum and such discussion is probably not welcome here. :)
  17. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    Thats pretty offensive. You do realize some of the staunchest supporters of Israel are Catholics, right? Catholics do not believe in the rapture. Another group that supports Israel, not unexpectedly, as American Jews. I'm pretty sure they don't believe in the rapture either. you could try putting together an argument that isn't based in ignorance, misinformation or outright lies.
  18. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    Is that like liberals calling themselves "progressives" or socialists calling themselves democrats?
  19. craigiri

    craigiri Well-Known Member

    As a jewish and catholic (1/2 1/2) American with family and friends who are living and have lived in Israel I would consider myself somewhat informed on those subjects.

    But back to the original idea here. You claim that anti-semitism is largely on the left.......even though:
    1. Israel is a leftist country (national health care, communes, socialist beginnings, etc.)
    2. Most American Jews are on the left (almost 80% voted for Obama)

    So, I guess we jews are anti-semites......excuse me while I look in the mirror and call myself names!

    But, heck, why let the truth get in the way of facts? Facts have a well known liberal bias.
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  20. Fred Sherman

    Fred Sherman Well-Known Member

    You're right. 21% of American Jews and 62% of American Catholics voted against Obama. You said it ease "because their crazy preachers convinced them the rapture is at hand (yes!) and that it happens in Israel."

    Do you believe this was said by 21% of rabbis and 62% of priests? Or is it more likely that while decrying racism and homophobia, you were displaying your own bigotry?

    Very ugly indeed.
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