MacOS, Ubuntu or Windows?

MacOS, Ubuntu or Windows?

  • MacOS

    Votes: 16 35.6%
  • Windows

    Votes: 12 26.7%
  • Ubuntu

    Votes: 7 15.6%
  • Other Linux Distro

    Votes: 10 22.2%

  • Total voters
    45
Would you happen to have a guide or anything for this? Just noticed that the 2015 MacBook Pro's with removable SSD's use a custom connector so I can't even upgrade the SSD unless I buy a used SSD that costs way more than SSD's for probably any other laptop. I'm really bored of Apples greediness, running MacOS on non-apple hardware would be my way of saying **** you to Apple.
Lots of stuff here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/ that is running XenForo :)

It will require messing with BIOS to make OSX think its being installed on Apple hardware. I also had to move memory from slots A1/A2 to B1/B2 because for some weird reason OSX expects memory to be there.

As for SSDs, when hard drive in my iMac broke a year ago I've put normal Crucial SSD there bought from nearest store. No special connectors needed. I think it was the case with old models, but newer models can work with any hard drives.
 
Ehrrrm...
Could you please watch this as an example (say from 7minutes 15 secs onwards)
I don't even know what to constructively comment on that. The way he represents the content alone is clearly an indicator that his opinion is more then biased. I doubt he actually read the page, nor has any clue why any of the data is transmitted. I haven't read all of the things listed on the page admittedly, but if one has a basic understanding of what such data is being used for, it's clearly obvious that there wouldn't be much use to sell that to anyone, so it's obviously used for some productive reason (like improving the product, for example).
 
It's not like that Apple uses any kind of magic, they pretty much use the same quality hardware like anyone else.
The "magic" Apple is doing is not being bogged down by 30 year old APIs and (as of the latest version of macOS, High Sierra) not being bogged down by a 30 year old file system. Apple computers were slower when they ran HFS+, since it was the textbook definition of a bodge (British term meaning to patch something to sort-of-make-it-work).

Windows would be a vastly better OS if Microsoft actually followed through and implemented a new file system to replace NTFS. Does anyone even remember Windows NT, the namesake of NTFS?

Well, it's way easier to fill your Windows machine with garbage because there's lot more to do so :p Neither hardwarewise nor softwarewise it's Windows or the respective system which slows you down, it's your habit and usage. Do care a little bit about your environment and it will last way longer.
This is wrong on so many levels. First of all, there's not "a lot more to do" on Windows, unless you count gaming. Even if you do, there's literally no valid reason as to why having a lot of games (or other applications) installed should slow down your entire computer.*

Unless of course you're conceding that Windows is a garbage OS bogged down with legacy code and legacy designs that can't handle creating lots of folders & files in a special location without slowing down everything else on the system, until you do a reformat and reinstall 😉

Why should I "care a little bit about my environment"? Why do I need to pay for and/or use 3rd party applications to "clean up" my environment? Is there a single valid reason for why I should have to bother with that (discounting the situation in which you might be running out of disk space on your OS drive), vs just spending my time using the computer that is as fast as the day I installed it, months or years later? 🤔

* I am of course not counting applications that run as services, e.g. if I install the Apache / MySQL / PHP stack I expect any computer to slow down somewhat. I am talking about regular applications that do not do anything when they're not running, such as games, an FTP program, etc.


Fillip
 
Lots of stuff here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/ that is running XenForo :)

It will require messing with BIOS to make OSX think its being installed on Apple hardware. I also had to move memory from slots A1/A2 to B1/B2 because for some weird reason OSX expects memory to be there.



Great stuff, I'll bookmark this for the weekend.

As for SSDs, when hard drive in my iMac broke a year ago I've put normal Crucial SSD there bought from nearest store. No special connectors needed. I think it was the case with old models, but newer models can work with any hard drives.

SSD's are such a godsend, anything with a mechanical drive now literally feels like it's broken.
 
The "magic" Apple is doing is not being bogged down by 30 year old APIs and (as of the latest version of macOS, High Sierra) not being bogged down by a 30 year old file system. Apple computers were slower when they ran HFS+, since it was the textbook definition of a bodge (British term meaning to patch something to sort-of-make-it-work).

Windows would be a vastly better OS if Microsoft actually followed through and implemented a new file system to replace NTFS. Does anyone even remember Windows NT, the namesake of NTFS?
Are we measuring in nano seconds or what is this based on? Like the actual slowdown for I/O comes from the disk used in first place. Would be surprised if you had actual numbers for the same disk with macOs and Windows in the latest versions. Doubt that the filesystem has a high or even noticeable impact, but who knows.
Plus, let's not forget, as a dev, not a gamer, not a designer or anything else, only ways to notice I/O impact are boot times (OS, sw, whatever) and build times, which generally correlate with the rest of your hardware very tightly aswell (swap, cycles, etc.). At least that's all I see :unsure:

Then again you're using ancient hardware and taking that as your prime example. Why would you run a 2018 OS on a 2012 system and then complain about that others are better with adopting legacy systems?
Like hell, even I as a webdev hate supporting legacy browsers and as such simply don't do it if I don't have to. Something you should be able to relate to aswell. This is a natural project management step, hence, it has nothing to do with sw or hw, it's just the company policy and decision not to support or put less effort in supporting legacy systems.

Yet my 2011 XPS still runs without any slowdowns - admittedly I'm still running Win 7 on that. No clue how that would perform with Win 10, though. But he, I'm not going to install a 2018 OS on a 2011 machine and expect it to run as smoothly as anything else. The reason for that is simple: A lot of Windows 8+ improvements are for example tied to UEFI, 64-bit support and all that stuff. Read: Hw upgrade needed to profit from these improvements.
If your OS does that without an upgrade, nice, good for you. Anyone else would seriously look forward to upgrading the system before even thinking about if it may or may not work. I didn't even know that you could install the latest macOS on 2012 modells, but I definitely wouldn't install Win 10 on my first computer from the 90's.
I mean, there is a reason why there are hardware requirements and recommendations.

tl;dr: Legacy hw underperforming with latest sw is not a good point to pick on.
This is wrong on so many levels. First of all, there's not "a lot more to do" on Windows, unless you count gaming. Even if you do, there's literally no valid reason as to why having a lot of games (or other applications) installed should slow down your entire computer.*

Unless of course you're conceding that Windows is a garbage OS bogged down with legacy code and legacy designs that can't handle creating lots of folders & files in a special location without slowing down everything else on the system, until you do a reformat and reinstall 😉

Why should I "care a little bit about my environment"? Why do I need to pay for and/or use 3rd party applications to "clean up" my environment? Is there a single valid reason for why I should have to bother with that (discounting the situation in which you might be running out of disk space on your OS drive), vs just spending my time using the computer that is as fast as the day I installed it, months or years later? 🤔

* I am of course not counting applications that run as services, e.g. if I install the Apache / MySQL / PHP stack I expect any computer to slow down somewhat. I am talking about regular applications that do not do anything when they're not running, such as games, an FTP program, etc.
But I am talking about exactly that stuff. I was kinda surprised when I noticed how many programs silently install an autostart service. More so, I didn't understand why they would even need it. For example, why would my on-demand video converter need to boot with Windows? There's a reason why it's on-demand. Stuff like this means free slowdowns on every boot and everything involved with that. And yea, a lot of people don't know about this. It's not advertised nor documented, so why would anyone even care about it?

I don't know how that's handled in macOS, but hard to imagine it would be any different.
Plus, that's an undeniable fact, there is way more sw out there for Windows, so way more stuff you can do and install.

Ultimately, you're correct, the tasks are the same, but that's not what people care about (nor was it my point). 10 PDF readers installed? Seems legit. Using registry optimizers & cleaners? Congratulations, you're doing everything wrong. Heard about that new chinese software which has Snapchat filters for Windows? Yes, let's install that. Oh hey, downloaded something from a trusted page, but it has its own installer instead of the vendor installer? Congrats, you got some extra adware for free aswell.
Stuff like this is the reason why people say that Windows slows down with time. It's their own fault. That's what I meant. Probably the same for macOS aswell, if there was that kind of variety.
You don't need to pay a single penny for that, lol. You just need brain.exe and afaik that's free to every human being :unsure:

Just as an example - my boot time has always been between 9.x - 11.x s. My old PC is running since 2014. I never had to reinstall Windows, even upgraded from 7->8->8.1 (probably not going to 10 anytime soon :p) without a clean install. It hasn't slowed down a single bit, other than what's expected due to my customization. Additionally, this is my all-round system which includes gaming and video editing. I don't see any lags regarding I/O. For the simple reason that the 2014 hw works really well with a 2014 OS. And I would bet it would perform as well, if not better, with a 2018 OS.
 
I work as SysAdmin in a datacenter. Ubuntu is really great for this type of work. I have dual boot with Windows 10 but rarely use it nowdays. But my Dell 7567 is using Win 10.

I have tried MacOS for a couple of weeks but they are not really suit my taste. The UI is really different. How they works, how to install, how to delete, how to use your mouse, navigation, is really different from Windows and Ubuntu.
 
I run Ubuntu on my personal/work system. I run a lot of VMs and QEMU+KVM is the best VM solution I've used, plus it supports hardware passthrough so I can run a Windows or macOS VM with an actual GPU attached - giving near native performance.

Beyond that I've spent a lot of time with all three and Ubuntu is just the most comfortable to use for me.
 
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