Just wanted to thank the Xenforo Staff/Developers

[mjda]

Yes, there have been "words given" as to what is coming.. but once more..what is different with the recent words compared to those a year ago?
Once we start seeing actual HYS's... then that is a lot more solid objective.. in fact, nothing currently stops the XF developers giving "pre-previews" of what is planned/working on... not necessarily what is coming.

We're once again in agreement. It would be nice to see something, but that's not how it's been done before so I wouldn't expect that to change now. I'll always assume that, until the first HYS, all we get is words.

The difference, at least for me, is that we got a reason why...and it seems like a way to make sure this can't/won't happen again with the new release schedule.

 

[TPerry]

I'll always assume that, until the first HYS, all we get is words.

After 3 years... and 12 months since our last "promise" of an upcoming HYS in "weeks"... I would have already expected to see a HYS... or at least updates why we HAVEN'T seen them after being promised them.. anybody able to point the "mea culpa" post out to me that details why that promise wasn't kept?
It seems that it really took a few folks screaming (and some getting thread banned) to get actual input from the Xenforo Developers....
Your'e welcome. Some of us are willing to take the bullet for others...
Of course, you have certain XF staff trying to bring up "we have complaints about you" to intimidate you... well, guess what.. I can easily guess what 2 users those are. And if those complaints are valid and can be shown to be so (not based simply on "feelers").. then feel free to act upon them.

 

[ge66]

How many of them have 10K+ posts?
BTW, I'm simply saying it is LESS likely I'll spend additional funds on Xenforo... I already have a site heavily invested in it's ecosphere.
Exactly what draws me currently (other than 3rd party add-ons) to the "benefits" that XF "grants" me?

I had a couple of users completely leave after getting a few warnings, one had more than 75000 post, member for more than 18 years and one almost 45000 posts, member for 15 years , sad but it happens. They might be back under other names, but not that active.

 

[TPerry]

They might be back under other names, but not that active.

Thing with me.. if I kick a site to the curb.. I won't be back. Simply inquire over at TAZ to verify that.
The issue is here.. I have a current active site on XF.. and it's doing fine... but I have issues with kicking loose the money to bring an SMF site over to XF (it was originally on IPS).... I still can't fully justify it... but I AM leaning more in that way.

 

[mjda]

Welcome to Texas.. where you are told what it is.. not what you wish it to be.

I'm from Texas too...maybe why I tend to agree with most things you say.

After 3 years... and 12 months since our last "promise" of an upcoming HYS in "weeks"... I would have already expected to see a HYS... or at least updates why we HAVEN'T seen them after being promised them.. anybody able to point the "mea culpa" post out to me that details why that promise wasn't kept?

You and everyone else...I think Kier touched on that a bit in his message. I now imagine that when he posted his "upcoming weeks" message was just before they realized that the new style was going to be too much to throw into a minor release, or I guess into this minor release. I assume undoing the new style changes and fixing all the new feature code/templates, that were likely originally written for the new style, took longer than they expected and "we're still working" was all they wanted to share about that, until now. Obviously not the best tactic, but I believe they've tried to fix that with their last few messages to us.

This is all, of course, pure speculation on my part. I could be wrong...I have been before a few times. Who knows...maybe nothing changes. Today, though, I don't expect that to be the case. Chris shutting down all the rumors and Kier giving us a why is huge...something we should have gotten from them months ago, as I'm sure they'd agree. But, it is what it is. We have the new info now...what we choose to do with it is up to us. For me, solely because of those two replies and the confidence I have in the two men who made them, moving forward with XF is the path I'm choosing.

 

[TPerry]

Kier giving us a why is huge...something we should have gotten from them months ago, as I'm sure they'd agree.

Agreed.. now, why did they blow 6 of their 10 toes off to avoid saying something as simple as this for OVER a year?

 

[TPerry]

BTW, I do want to thank whomever decided to re-open this topic back up after their knee-jerk reaction and closing it within about 30 seconds if its creation... I have an idea of who it was that killed it... but won't say their name.
I am feeling a lot more comfortable with dropping the "dime" to update my old XF license (and extend it with 1st party add-ons) than I was.

 

[mjda]

Agreed.. now, why did they blow 6 of their 10 toes off to avoid saying something as simple as this for OVER a year?

Embarrassment that they didn't think about these things well enough in advance? Too proud to admit they made a mistake? Ego made them think they could get it done faster than they did? Who knows...your guess is as good as mine.

I'm just glad they finally gave us the why. Now let's just hope we're not asking for another why for Christmas this year.

 

[TPerry]

Too proud to admit they made a mistake? Ego made them think they could get it done faster than they did?

I vote for these two, with the first having a MUCH higher decisive factor.
This is why I commented that XenForo could WELL use a paid professional communicator.. they really don't have any qualified apparently currently to fulfill that requirement.

 

[FTL]

No, you never gave a definitive reason of why post numbers were "required"... simply on why you "preferred" them.

That's right, I said that they're a dealbreaker for me. I never said that the forum absolutely needs them to work. It does not and I even gave you the example of XF conversations which don't have them. Please reread my first post to you as you don't seem to properly comprehend what I'm saying to you. Among other things, I also said that I was perfectly fine if you don't care about them and are happy to use the product without them.

Again, you're trying to beat me with a strawman argument, hence you can't possibly win and are just continuing to embarrass yourself, looking foolish. Learn when to concede when you're wrong and stop continuing to embarrass yourself.

 

[TPerry]

Sorry... your needs do not equate to the remainder of society.. It seem that IPS has miraculously gotten along just fine since they did away with thread numbers... which were never used.. but continue to live in the mid-2000's.

 

[FTL]

Sorry... your needs do not equate to the remainder of society.. It seem that IPS has miraculously gotten along just fine since they did away with thread numbers... which were never used.. but continue to live in the mid-2000's.

Again, another strawman argument. Oh dear.

 

[TPerry]

Again, another strawman argument. Oh dear.

Really.. expound please.
It's easy to make the claim... but harder to justify.
Feel free to show us where the removal of post numbers killed IPS other than in YOUR OPINION of what is necessary in a script.
I can easily show you where life goes on with the script, with people doing exactly as I reflected for sharing posts without referring someone to a post number.
As for XF... I can show you where bookmarks are regularly used also.
I thought you were a proponent of moving scripts "forward"... who would have known you actually want to reside in the past.

 

[Wing]

Agreed.. now, why did they blow 6 of their 10 toes off to avoid saying something as simple as this for OVER a year?

This right here is what is not making any logical sense. Everything feels “damage control” like these days imo

Which is a shame. These statements from the team should have been made months ago, and there should be a deliverable to bring to the table by now…

 

[FTL]

Really.. expound please.
It's easy to make the claim... but harder to justify.
Feel free to show us where the removal of post numbers killed IPS.

Where did I say that the removal of post numbers killed IPS? Please quote that post and I'll defend it. Of course, you can't as I never said it, so you're just gonna come back with more strawman rubbish. I really do think perhaps you do have some comprehension problems and I'm not saying that as a slur, but concern. What other reason can there be for you to waive one strawman argument after another at me?

Again, you continue to embarrass yourself in public.

 

[TPerry]

Of course, you can't as I never said it, so you're just gonna come back with more strawman rubbish.

Ever here of the miraculous word inferrence

Pretty sure your comment on how XF is "superior/exceeds" IPS based upon their lack of post numbers infers a weakness in that decision.
You have (repeatedly) been shown where that is not an issue. Your position is ENTIRELY one based directly upon YOUR choice, and one that you still have yet to be able to successfully defend as being valid to the majority of current fora users.

Personally.. yeah, I like the post/message numbers.. but is it "life/death" to a site.. nope, as you have been repeatedly shown. They serve no actual purpose any longer.. the need to refer to a post is from an era LONG LONG ago.

As for embarrassing oneself...

 

[HotRodCarts]

 

[FTL]

Pretty sure your comment on how XF is "superior/exceeds" to IPS based upon their lack of post numbers infers a weakness in that decision.
You have (repeatedly) been shown where that is not an issue. Your position is ENTIRELY one based directly upon YOUR choice.

Yes, XF offers more functionality than IPS in this respect and therefore is better, or superior if you like. How do you have a problem with that?

Now, one of the strawman arguments that you levelled at me is:

Feel free to show us where the removal of post numbers killed IPS other than in YOUR OPINION of what is necessary in a script.

I never said they killed IPS. I simply said that XF is better in this respect and it's a dealbreaker for me and stand by it, because it has more functionality than IPS. The reason it's better, is because one can just ignore the post numbers if they're not interested in them, but one can't ignore that they're missing when one needs them. This is pretty basic logic which you should be able to grasp and the disagreement should now be over... but with you it won't be.

Are you arguing that IPS is better for not having them? I want to be clear on this point.

This is like arguing with a simpleton. Seriously man, give it up. But you won't...

 

[TPerry]

Yes, XF offers more functionality than IPS in this respect and therefore is better, or superior if you like. How do you have a problem with that?

Sorry.. it's not "superior".. you have yet to show a qualified use for a post number in any situation.
Commenting to someone in a post.. direct link to the post, don't tell them to refer to post #XXX in such and such thread.
Bookmarking.. not dependent upon a post number.
You continue to equate what YOU think should be with what is accepted.
As I clearly stated.. I like post numbers... but I realize they actually serve NO purpose to direct interaction for sharing/referring content when compared to direct linking to the post.

I never said they killed IPS. I simply said that XF is better in this respect and it's a dealbreaker for me and stand by it, because it has more functionality than IPS.

And maybe you are FINALLY grasping the point I was making to you....
Never mind you try to dismiss it by claiming it's a "straw man" argument. The simple fact is.. post numbers ultimately serve NO valid purpose currently except for those that are stuck in doing stuff like they did 10-20 years ago.

Are you arguing that IPS is better for not having them? I want to be clear on this point.

Where have I said it's better.. in fact, I CLEARLY stated that I preferred them.. but YOU are the one ARGUING that post numbers are "IMPORTANT"... so please, defend that argument.. you have so far failed to do so.

Really.. I would love to know your reason that you seem to think that post numbers are apparently "vital"to the "working" of a script other than "it's what I'm used to".

 

[mjda]

This is why I commented that XenForo could WELL use a paid professional communicator.. they really don't have any qualified apparently currently to fulfill that requirement.

I offered, but I haven't gotten a call yet.