Japan just hit by magnitude 8.9 earthquake

It is odd, I'll agree. But it was recorded by the Ohio Seismic Network, and our local seismic centers at both YSU and western Pennsylvania, just over the state line east of me.
Like I said, I thought it was thunder at first. It woke me up, which is good cuz I forgot to set my alarm clock. I remember thinking, great, more rain today. I get up and take my dogs out to the backyard and there's not a cloud to be seen. SO then I thought maybe I'd just dreampt it, y'know? Like an internal alarm type of thing.

hmph...
 
Update: 11:05 AM JST / Friday ---

Nothing really new to report except that I've noted that international media isn't putting the Japan headlines in 48 pt. fonts on their front pages. Seems like Libya is gaining strength again. The latest report out of Fukushima has radiation declining and the (new or repaired) power sources are just about complete, thus restoring cooling to the reactor plant. The only complication for that aspect is the damage to any piping or other infrastructure damage there that may need to be further repaired.

Contrary to "TheVisitors" postings, Japan isn't going to be a 'dead country'. I have to say, I feel like now that his posts are just to incite fear and not truly backed by any real facts. According to him, we should have imploded a few days ago. Fortunately, this is just an internet forum for communication and he's just another poster with his own opinions. The important fact here is that we are still here and we're not going to just vaporize...

I have read in various points where people believe there is a mad 'exodus' going on in Tokyo, well it's a 3-day weekend and most people leave Tokyo when there is a long weekend. Some foreign embassies have offered reimbursable flights to their citizens such as America, offering flights to other parts of Asia.

It will have been exactly 7 days since the quake and tsunami hit in just a few hours... things could be worse, but I don't believe things can get much worse than what they are at this moment. Infrastructure such as roads are being cleared up north and debris removal has begun while SAR teams are digging through what's left, looking for bodies.

For today, I'm wrapping up a few projects at work and then heading to the countryside for a short vacation. I hope that we will see more positive news over the weekend and return to Tokyo Monday evening with a fresh mind. Financial year ends on 3/31, still a lot of hurdles to clear before that time.
 
Chernobyl was an small reactor and it affected the whole continent. Japan holds a higher yield and has 6 reactors there at that 1 plant. This is not going to end well
The RBMK-1000 at Chernobyl 4 wasn't smaller, in fact, it was MUCH bigger - it held more nuclear fuel than a similar sized boiling water reactor does.

The reasons why this cannot be a 2nd chernobyl are quite simple.

1. Chernobyl was more than a meltdown. The reactor core literally exploded (it is well understood, that the 2nd, powerful explosion which blew up the reactor core was most likely caused by a nuclear excursion - something that is very unlikely to happen in a shut down and therefore subcritical reactor core) and released large amounts of highly radioactive fuel and other components into the atmosphere.

2. RBMK reactors are graphite moderated. Some 1000 tons of graphite were heated up and large junks of it were ejected. The remaining graphite continued to burn for a few days inside the destroyed reactor building and contributed to the enormous amount of radioactive material sent into the atmosphere. There is no graphite moderator in a BWR, no way for such a huge and dangerous fire to occur.

3. There was no containment except for a relatively thin steel shell surrounding the reactor core.

Don't believe it?

Here is what a russian nuclear expert says and here is another interesting article about Chernobyl vs Fukushima.
 
It will have been exactly 7 days since the quake and tsunami hit in just a few hours... things could be worse, but I don't believe things can get much worse than what they are at this moment. Infrastructure such as roads are being cleared up north and debris removal has begun while SAR teams are digging through what's left, looking for bodies.

For today, I'm wrapping up a few projects at work and then heading to the countryside for a short vacation. I hope that we will see more positive news over the weekend and return to Tokyo Monday evening with a fresh mind. Financial year ends on 3/31, still a lot of hurdles to clear before that time.
Actually, the only way it can get worse now is if the weather doesn't cooperate and it stays cold and snows some more on the teams out there trying to clean up and help the survivors. With so many homeless, that is the real danger.

I hope you have a good weekend. Try to enjoy your vacation.
 
Actually, the only way it can get worse now is if the weather doesn't cooperate and it stays cold and snows some more on the teams out there trying to clean up and help the survivors. With so many homeless, that is the real danger.

I hope you have a good weekend. Try to enjoy your vacation.

You are correct. The weather up there is being difficult, while in the Saitama and Tokyo areas, it's clear and cold.

Thanks! I'm going to try... While I don't have my own car (and train service is sketchy), I can't really be of much help to those up north but I did contribute ~200,000 yen to a local group in Shinagawa, Tokyo that is trucking in a fresh batch of supplies this weekend. I couldn't take a holiday to the countryside without doing something to help those who are in much more dire conditions.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet, and I'm a bit surprised about, is the threat of diseases that usually comes after a tsunami because of what the water brings with it and things like sewage becoming exposed and water-borne illnesses become much easier to spread due to stagnant water in many areas.

Has anyone seen this sort of thing talked about anywhere? Is this as much of a possibility as I think it is and are there preparations for it?
 
Has anyone seen this sort of thing talked about anywhere? Is this as much of a possibility as I think it is and are there preparations for it?

I don't know about international media, but it's being heavily discussed locally. They are trying to get medicine, water and fuel for heating to the affected areas as quickly as possible. The cold weather is playing a valuable role by keeping things in a chilled state, which is helping to prevent wide-spread disease in a short time period. It's a double-edged sword, cold keeps some things under control while making things more difficult for survivors and rescue teams.
 
I don't know about international media, but it's being heavily discussed locally. They are trying to get medicine, water and fuel for heating to the affected areas as quickly as possible. The cold weather is playing a valuable role by keeping things in a chilled state, which is helping to prevent wide-spread disease in a short time period. It's a double-edged sword, cold keeps some things under control while making things more difficult for survivors and rescue teams.
Ah, I thought it was likely you were preparing for that eventuality, but no mention of that case (yet) in the US media... not with the reactors about to blow any minute now and remove Japan from the face of the planet. :rolleyes:

I don't want to say I'm happy this happened, but I suppose it's a mixed feeling that it did happen during a cooler period of the year and not mid-summer. Of course there's worry about the safety of survivors effected by the event directly, but that is contained at least. Disease ignores such "borders" but it sounds like the weather is slowing that down for now.

I hope that makes sense? My wording felt awkward. :unsure:
 
This video: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/42142794#42142794 -- was the one that I mentioned before. It's a bit shorter than the original aired in Tokyo, but it's got the major points in it.

It may be on YouTube, just haven't seen it yet.

Edit: Wow. Add insult to injury. Totally unrelated, but 1 of 2 power supplies (redundancy ftw) blew in one of my co-located servers in the U.S. I already had spare parts there to replace it, but damn. What else can go wrong...

Edit #2: It was a Supermicro 2U chassis. (I know someone may ask...)
 
I watched it too. I basically translated political speak to common English.
Then please note that in your posts, please. For instance I added the bold words, you also could have added them.
President Obama is on TV right now. I believe based on what was said that Japan's nuclear reactor is melting down. They should have ordered (requested) all American's who are within Japan to leave.

He's saying he does not believe Hawaii will be affected by radiation... He's a fool or misinformed
 
Contrary to "TheVisitors" postings, Japan isn't going to be a 'dead country'. I have to say, I feel like now that his posts are just to incite fear and not truly backed by any real facts. According to him, we should have imploded a few days ago.

I think that is becoming increasingly clear to everyone, certainly since I first pulled TheVisitors up on this post made over 48 hours ago:

Again from my inside source...​
The nuclear plant will meltdown within 12 hours (24 if the 50 works did enough)

I see others have already countered some of TheVisitors' more recent claims, so I'll just question this one....
Having studied nuclear physics (not majored in it, but studied) .... The radiation form the yield they have... A full stage 9 meltdown will take longer, but if it happens they're f**ked.
Leaving only 50 miles away from a plant that could be reaching a stage 9 meltdown... Is not going to do you any good.

What is a 'stage 9 meltdown'? :confused:

A google [UK] search for "stage 9 meltdown" only returns 9 results, 8 of which references it in terms of people 'melting down' and the 9th from our friend here, it therefore strikes me as an odd term to use in this way, especially by someone who has 'studied nuclear physics' and has a source with 'inside information'.

The highest level on the 'International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale', which was applied in the Chernobyl case, is 7.

I posted a couple of days ago that "I suspect 'your source' has no 'inside information' and is just making this up as they go along," I now suspect that 'source' is not the only one making things up.

It's one thing to discuss the worst potential outcome, but another to be making wild claims addressed up as facts, at the very least it's distasteful and disreputable to those in Japan, both those battling to avoid the situation getting worst and those that may suffer if it does. :(

Finally, again, this morning the reports are that things at the plant are not getting any worst and radiation levels have fallen, of course, the situation could still get worst again, but for now at least the news is more positive.
 
The RBMK-1000 at Chernobyl 4 wasn't smaller, in fact, it was MUCH bigger - it held more nuclear fuel than a similar sized boiling water reactor does.

The reasons why this cannot be a 2nd chernobyl are quite simple.
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Don't believe it?

Here is what a russian nuclear expert says and here is another interesting article about Chernobyl vs Fukushima.

Thanks for posting those two links, I've read & heard similar several times over the last week, but those were still well worth reading. :)

From the 2nd link:

The radiation measured so far at Fukushima is 100,000 times less than that at Chernobyl.
- from the UK’s Institution of Mechanical Engineers:
 
ENF cheers for giving the right info to the world via this thread. I'm also a Tokyoite and seeing some of this news too. The media doesn't mention that every day the nuclear particles physically die over time - so the danger is lessening as time goes on. Instead I read qoutes on CNN this morning from a woman that live 1 mile from 3 mile island saying 'its really dangerous and I think many people will die'...like she is an expert on this - its just scaremongering.

Though there are companies moving out of Tokyo, admittedly they are mostly foriegn companies or half foreign (i.e. the ones who cares for staff safety). My company is currently relocating to hiroshima until things die down a bit. I know a couple of banks are looking at Osaka at the moment too i think many of them are taking the long weekend to watch what happens and to make a choice on tuesday.

I went down towards Kyoto as a 'just in case' and I'm staying in a tiny place with my wife and cat, and while it was totally as a precaution I'm glad its a move that we chose just out of peace of mind. As on the morning of the earthquake we found out my wife is pregnant so i didnt want to take any chances. Though seeing she works in finance we really need to get back to tokyo by next week or she may lose her job
 
... As on the morning of the earthquake we found out my wife is pregnant so i didnt want to take any chances. Though seeing she works in finance we really need to get back to tokyo by next week or she may lose her job
Congrats to you and your wife! It's wonderful to have a miracle for yourselves in light of all the tragedy.
 
Apologies if this has already been posted but found this article to be quite a good counter to the mass hysteria from the likes of Sky, Daily Mail and the BBC. Just a quick quote that helps to put things into perspective:

The lesson to learn here is that if your country is hit by a monster earthquake and tsunami, one of the safest places to be is at the local nuclear powerplant. Other Japanese nuclear powerplants in the quake-stricken area, in fact, are sheltering homeless refugees in their buildings – which are some of the few in the region left standing at all, let alone with heating, water and other amenities.

Nothing else in the quake-stricken area has come through anything like as well as the nuclear power stations, or with so little harm to the population. All other forms of infrastructure – transport, housing, industries – have failed the people in and around them comprehensively, leading to deaths most probably in the tens of thousands. Fires, explosions and tank/pipeline ruptures all across the region will have done incalculably more environmental damage, distributed hugely greater amounts of carcinogens than Fukushima Daiichi – which has so far emitted almost nothing but radioactive steam (which becomes non-radioactive within minutes of being generated).

And yet nobody will say after this: "don't build roads; don't build towns; don't build ships or chemical plants or oil refineries or railways". That would be ridiculous, of course, even though having all those things has actually led to terrible loss of life, destruction and pollution in the quake's wake.

But far and away more ridiculously, a lot of people are already saying that Fukushima with its probable zero consequences means that no new nuclear powerplants should ever be built again. ®

Personal bootnote

As one who earns his living in the media these days, I can only apologise on behalf of my profession for the unbelievable levels of fear and misinformation purveyed this week. I have never been so ashamed to call myself a journalist.

Full article here.

It's really quite sad that with so much tragedy for tens of thousands of people it is all being ignored to focus on a single thing. It's telling of our times that the news feel that we will be more interesting in a massively exagerated story about an unlikely event than stories about real humans and actual ongoing events.

To clarify, I don't think the coverage should ignore the events at Fukushima but I do believe that it should not be the exclusive coverage. Unless the situation there changes I feel that coverage of the human story would be far better, and would no doubt increase donations.
 
And yet that seems to be in start contrast to this on the main BBC news site, updated just 2 hours ago.

Japan has raised the alert level at its quake-damaged nuclear plant from four to five on a seven-point international scale of atomic incidents.
The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi site, previously rated as a local problem, is now regarded as having "wider consequences".
The UN says the battle to stabilise the plant is a race against time.
The crisis was prompted by last week's huge quake and tsunami, which has left at least 17,000 people dead or missing.
Japanese nuclear officials said core damage to reactors 2 and 3 had prompted the raising of the severity grade.
 
And yet that seems to be in start contrast to this on the main BBC news site, updated just 2 hours ago.

Indeed. Though it's worth noting it was reduced from a six to a four, though that didn't get much coverage, though this increase to five has.

So at worst the situation is less 'severe' than it was a few days ago. Sadly that sort of reporting doesn't seem to sell newspapers or get pageviews, though along with the previous article, Ars Technica have been quite good at producing more balanced coverage.
 
They want to keep viewers tied to the tv screens and websites so they can be "the first" people to see what happens when the power plant blows. :rolleyes:

It's sad the the media has become more involved in dramatizing a situation and making it worse than it seems than simply just telling people what is really happening plain and simple. You can bet once the news people find out nothing is actually going to happen ("crises averted"), the focus will move away from Japan and good luck hearing any news about them dealing with the aftermath and the relief effort.

If you do have any doubts about it, ask yourself: When is the last time you heard a report about the relief effort and progress in Haiti? How about the areas affected by the 2004 tsunami? They were only recently brought up because of the events in Japan, but no one looks at how they're dealing with it now, months and years after it happened, and the foundations and charities that still need help with them don't get any attention except for the disaster currently happening.

Japan might stay in the spotlight longer because it isn't "poor" country and it's a country most people have heard of, but it's a damn shame how quick the media turns a blind eye once they can't sell the "Look, there's immediate danger about to happen, keep watching!" hook because no one believes it after a few days because nothing actually happened.

I know it's not a direct relation to this thread but it just irks me to see some of these articles being linked versus reading from people who are actually there and seeing the huge difference in how the same situation is skewed outside of Japan.
 
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