IPS V5 vs XF 3

Watt579

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Hello everyone,

Im not openng this topic as a hater, i would like to hear your opinions and to debate about this controverial subject : XF vs IPS
I also need to take a decision to upgrade the IPS to v5 or to migrate to XF maybe v3 because i dont have a deadline and i can wait.
Im curently using IPS v4.7.23, my community have more than 7M posts, im using Commerce App with custom built gateway based on bitcoin (BTC Server), along with Gallery application, Blogs, Pages, Files, along with other private app such as Member of the Month , Attachment Watermark, FAQ, Hide Content, Enhanced Advertisments and other custom apps when a user gets automatically PM after purchase a subscription.

1. I think first thing i noticed when i have checked Xenforo software is have less features than IPS,this thing may be good or bad it depends of what sort of community we are talking about. My community tends to use all features from IPS, users gives negative rep points each other, complaints to moderators, communicating each other on blogs, writing comments everywhere, debating etc. What do you think about features from XF versus features IPS 4 v ?

2. Whats your opinion about IPS v5 compare to XF version 3 (i know is not finished yet) ?

3. Can all my list with applications ,i wrote at the begining my comment, be transfered to XF including all data ?

4. You think is better to wait for XF version 3 before migrating ?

5. I need to keep the URLs structure SAME as they are in IPS to avoid SEO problems, is it possible ?

6. I know it depende of lots of things, but if proper optimized which IPS or XF can be faster when loading ?

The reason of migration from IPS is quite bizzare. Recently, we have change server, and i encounter some troubles. The IPS support only focus on their cloud clients and give very little attention to self-hosted clients. And the support give this small amount of attention, only gets respondes such as deactivate all plugins/application, it doesnt work and other ******** answer. I received (paid) support from users from official IPS forum, neither from source. Also the official forum is have a lack of activity, it seems dead sometimes i can see 2-3 comments on daily basis compare to XF community where is intensive activity after refresing the page. Also they have removed marketplace, which is another problem.
When trying to hire a developer from official IPS, dont get any answers, lots of them retired/abandoned accounts and when i tried to use Freelancer/fiverr/upwork/toptal the devs never heard of IPS, they did heard about vbulletin and XF and i have to explan them about IPS, give them the official URL etc. I dont get the feelling of trust anymore about IPS.
 
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I think Invision's Achilles heal is their transition into an SaaS company was handled badly by the management which alienated a large number of existing customers but it doesn't appear to have impacted their revenue in the short term.

Along with every transition other IPS has made over the decades being handled badly!
 
A forum software cannot survive solely on its core features if it pushes third-party developers away

I wonder how Xenforo would be different if it embraced a Xenforo.org approach to things.

I think a lot more high quality MAJOR addons would exist.

Pages
databases
Blog
More gallery options


With more addon commerce going on … xenforo could take 20% of sales of addons and use it to code review and ensure compliance with coding standards, security, etc.

Of course, the pitfalls of a xenforo.org addon approach probably has more pitfalls than benefits for xenforo Ltd.

On a more relevant note, hopefully Xenforo survives the current situation
 
They seem to be doing OK although I've not a lot to compare them with. If memory serves, according to their CEO last year they made $1.8M in sales with a 16 person team. I believe he also disclosed a company valuation of $5.3M. That seems pretty weak compared to Discourse but I believe they are venture-backed.

I think Invision's Achilles heal is their transition into an SaaS company was handled badly by the management which alienated a large number of existing customers but it doesn't appear to have impacted their revenue in the short term.

Is there any information to how this compared to before they transitioned to the B2B business model?
 
Invision sounds like it's really something bad if what i'm reading is truthful.

XF3 is not out yet but if we had to go on their cloud service it would be ok because it would be somewhat cheaper in the long term.
It would stop the whinging about finding new web hosts.
It saves us from having to all the upgrades.
 
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