Internet Brands claims against XenForo

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I am so disgusted with internetbrands I have for the past 1 hour and a half removed all my resources from their domain. (something thought I'd never do) That's 113 threads, several hundred packs tens of thousands of images removed.

Probably makes me as bad as them but then I never really did care what others think.

It just shows you the lengths these clowns will stoop to. Not only that they cannot accept their responsibility since the takeover of IB that they messed up in every way they could. Thik about building a product from the ground up rather than trying to make an easy buck off the people you serve.
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Shelly i commend you for doing that. I shall remove the what, 2 tutorials i posted. The amount is small but my sincerity for xenForo is great.
 
This is absolutely ridiculous. Whatever credibility vBulletin had has just dissipated for good. I'm an old vB customer but I'll be selling my license to someone else who wants it and converting to either XF or another software.
 
internet Brands today has commenced a lawsuit in the courts of England and Wales against Xenforo, and its founders, Kier, Mike and Ashley. The lawsuit is about these claims: infringement of our copyrighted intellectual property, breach of contract, and unfair business practices.

The suit is simple: we claim that Kier, Mike, and Ashley have infringed and violated contracts they signed with us to gain unfair business advantage. As such, Xenforo’s software unfairly stands on the shoulders of more than a decade of development by Jelsoft. Internet Brands owns this intellectual property.

In total, we are stunned by the actions of Kier, Mike, and Ashley and believe they must not fully understand the laws of copyrights, contract or business torts. Perhaps Kier and Mike think they have “refactored” enough of the code to skirt copyright law. Our analysis strongly indicates otherwise and we believe anyone skilled in understanding such things will concur. Perhaps they are of the misguided belief that because they created some of the vBulletin code as Jelsoft employees, they somehow have unique claims to that property. If so, that too is wrong. Kier’s and Mike’s work as Jelsoft employees was the exclusive property of their employer, and the former owners of Jelsoft not only paid Kier and Mike well during their employment, Kier was paid a handsome bonus when Internet Brands bought the business, although no such payment was required.

If the proverbial shoe were on the other foot and rather than buying vBulletin, Internet Brands had instructed our engineers to essentially copy the software, we would have been law breakers. But Internet Brands chose to play by copyright rules and bought the vBulletin intellectual property. And, in our opinion, no matter how Kier, Mike, and Ashley try to “spin” their actions, they have not. A key test for infringement is a determination as to whether a substantial portion of the underlying work amounts to an expression of the prior work. We believe we will be able to easily show that Xenforo is infringing under this test. We have numerous other claims against Xenforo that we believe are equally strong.

We trust that software purchasers understand the risks of infringement of copyright law and act accordingly. We have requested that Kier, Mike and Ashley refrain from selling the software while the issues, inclusive of our infringement claims, are heard in the courts. We intend to pursue our rights broadly and vigorously.

We consider Kier and Mike to be talented developers, but ones who potentially fail to grasp the implications of their actions.

We imagine that many of you in the community will have questions or concerns and we want to be as open and straightforward with all of you throughout this process as possible; however, since this matter is now being handled by the court system, we may be limited in some regards to what we can discuss.

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http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/show...-claims-against-Xenforo&p=2050616#post2050616

What are they claiming against, I cannot see what XF have done wrong... If they wrote there own code, I cannot see IB can do anything about it, If IB complain about new forum software being writed maybe other forum software companies should be careful as well - like IPB and phpBB etc.
 
I have studied some law and I can honestly say this with 100% assurance. If Kier, Mike, and Ashley all left the dev team right after IB took over then they would have no binding contract as the US clearly states that anytime a business buys out another, any contract in place becomes null and void therefore must be re-established by the new owner. Even so if they were not presented with a new contract after ownership changed then they are still not binded by any contract. Knowing Ashley though, he more than likely made sure they were breaking no contract or laws again IB. So this is a scare tactic, one that will most likely cause the demise of IB's reputation. This is a low blow and they should have been bigger than this. Instead of going with a lawsuit they should have invested in released a product that would compete more with XenForo. But that is my 2 cents and as far as my knowledge goes.
 
If I bought a xenForo license on the 5th, and let's say IB won this case, would that license/xenForo then belong to IB?
 
It just doesn't work over here where the English Law (the basis for most laws around the world) sees common sense.
Unfortunately common sense has a very little bearing in the today's court system. It's more of a precedent based. That's why Mike, Kier and Ashley need to consult lawyers.

By the way, the hot coffee case against McDonald's was rock solid. ;)
 
I have studied some law and I can honestly say this with 100% assurance. If Kier, Mike, and Ashley all left the dev team right after IB took over then they would have no binding contract as the US clearly states that anytime a business buys out another, any contract in place becomes null and void therefore must be re-established by the new owner. Even so if they were not presented with a new contract after ownership changed then they are still not binded by any contract. Knowing Ashley though, he more than likely made sure they were breaking no contract or laws again IB. So this is a scare tactic, one that will most likely cause the demise of IB's reputation. This is a low blow and they should have been bigger than this. Instead of going with a lawsuit they should have invested in released a product that would compete more with XenForo. But that is my 2 cents and as far as my knowledge goes.

IB probably made them sign the contracts as part of the deal to take over Jelsoft.

Even so, as this is a UK court unless there is some direct IPR infringement the judge will probably rule in favor of public interest to allow XF to continue development.
 
I don't think that is the intention, but when it comes to corporate battles in the UK it isn't "he who shouts loudest wins" which tends to be the case in some US cases/courts...

Then we better strike up the xenForo Chorus. REHEARSAL TIME IN 5 MINUTES PEOPLE! START WARMING UP THOSE THROATS!!!


♫ ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME LA LA LA LA LA LA LA RAWR!!! ♫
 
Then we better strike up the xenForo Chorus. REHEARSAL TIME IN 5 MINUTES PEOPLE! START WARMING UP THOSE THROATS!!!


♫ ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME LA LA LA LA LA LA LA RAWR!!! ♫

You need to re read what he posted.

it isn't
 
looking at the writing-style of the OP, this seems to have been written by a 14-year old kid rather than written by a lawyer :cool:
 
Unfortunately common sense has a very little bearing in the today's court system. It's more of a precedent based. That's why Mike, Kier and Ashley need to consult lawyers.

By the way, the hot coffee case against McDonald's was rock solid. ;)

Maybe in the US but it would never hold up in the UK. That's the big difference.
 
Hehe, totally agree. UK Law is very different from the US. For a start, try and sue someone over in the UK for serving hot coffee and get laughed at. Kier, Mike, Ashley are very well protected by civil and fair laws. IB have shot themselves in the foot. Reading their press release it seems like they are in the US and just filing another "argh, my neighbour farted and gassed me" lawsuit. It just doesn't work over here where the English Law (the basis for most laws around the world) sees common sense.
Agreed. This won't stand up in UK courts but xenForo shouldn't let their guard down. Let the sale commence.
 
IB probably made them sign the contracts as part of the deal to take over Jelsoft.

Even so, as this is a UK court unless there is some direct IPR infringement the judge will probably rule in favor of public interest to allow XF to continue development.
Agreed 100%, I don't see this lasting no more than a day or 2, depending on when a judge gets to it.

looking at the writing-style of the OP, this seems to have been written by a 14-year old kid rather than written by a lawyer :cool:
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed but you never can tell now a days.
 
You need to re read what he posted.

it isn't
True, however give that Internet Brands has gone this far already by pursing litigation, it's clear they will do everything they will throw everything on the wall and hope something sticks. and that includes pursing the matter in US Courts.
 
True, however give that Internet Brands has gone this far already by pursing litigation, it's clear they will do everything they will throw everything on the wall and hope something sticks. and that includes pursing the matter in US Courts.

Except they're pursuing it in the UK courts. Pursuing it in the US courts only reflects on what's happening over here.
 
True, however give that Internet Brands has gone this far already by pursing litigation, it's clear they will do everything they will throw everything on the wall and hope something sticks. and that includes pursing the matter in US Courts.

Sigh, the US courts have NO power over the UK courts.
 
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