I think the PC is on its way out

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we have no fiber in my state (one corner does where the average person is making hundreds of thousands to millions a year but it is not happening for the rest of us).....also what is the distance from you to your server...also please dont use a camera...please use software to record your full screen video in hd and switch back and forth and also start running other tasks whole that is playing.


problem...where are my pci slots?

Uverse is slow in my state, and fios wont happen because of isp agreements with city/state officials at least not until these contracts expire. So this is all shoulda coulda woulda stuff.

1. Not my videos
2. How many PCI slots do you need? PCI-X or PCI-E?
3. My brother lives in the sticks of East Texas and works as a truck mechanic. His income is less than I pay in taxes. He has satellite broadband.
4. I did say it'll be 10 years before this becomes mainstream for the home user. You have time.
 
1. Not my videos
2. How many PCI slots do you need? PCI-X or PCI-E?
3. My brother lives in the sticks of East Texas and works as a truck mechanic. His income is less than I pay in taxes. He has satellite broadband.
4. I did say it'll be 10 years before this becomes mainstream for the home user. You have time.
1. Who's are they
2. At least (4) PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 capable of dual x16 but more is better, (2)x1. This is one configuration I need.
3. Does he use this or are these his videos.
4, Well if this is going to become mainstream at all I won't be part of it. Less than you know.
 
1. Random people. The point being this is the kind of performance anyone can experience.
2. Thats not a problem.
3. No, he mostly uses the internet for porn.
4. Unless you're in your 50's, you won't have a choice. Twenty years ago, I recall people saying they'd never give up their landline phones because anyone with a scanner could listen in on your mobile phone. Today 26% of the US has no landline at all (including me). Technology will continue to move forward. You will been to see more acronyms ending in "aaS" - as a Services. Desktop as a service (DaaS), Software as a Service (Saas), Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS).
The desktop PC is a technological dead end. 10 years from now, it will be a niche. 20 years from now, extinct. Because the computing market has always been and will always be driven by corporate usage, the home user will follow or fall away. There aren't sufficient margins in servicing only the late adopters or those resistant to change in the home computing market for a company to survive.
 
1. that was not performance and both examples looked like crap like I said before, those are not replacements for a computer those are cruel jokes

2. so you think a card using 3Gb/s SDI that uses software on the computer (which would now be somewhere else in the world) to edit in realtime will work? And will this unit also support 14 sata2 and 3 slots

3. Well I can download a file at 7.5 megs a sec and remote desktops still suck. If they are outside of the local network there is too many people I have to rely on to use the computer with what you are suggesting.

4. Which is why I am pointing out how retarded of an idea that a company will use this, a phone is still a phone landline or cellular. My phone is in my hand along with my contact my pictures and my music. I still have control. What your suggesting with these non computers is that it is the same when it is not...you have no control, you don't own everything you are using and now are subject to relying on your remote desktop service being up, your internet being up, having all new wiring in your house (because before it would only slow your internet connection down if you had old ass wires in your house...now under this hardware configuration this would effect your desktop).

Anyways I do have a choice, and this is not in the future for me. I am not a pushover nor do I get caught up in some bullsh|t hype where people waste and try to fix what is not broken. Yeah lets take apart a working computer and keep the guts in our possession and charge people to use their own info and give them a cable box with a keyboard. Using this technology for the home user is like taxing us and calling us stupid while laughing to the bank. Like I said I have less time than you think pal and I won't be making that choice ten years from now.
 
1. BS. That streaming video clip performed like it was a local desktop. At least be honest.
2. SATA2? Thats going away too. Besides, your storage wouldn't be local either. You'll have however much storage you need and can afford. Remember, video is rendered between the client and the monitor just like a PC renders to a screen. The only difference is that the network is transmitting the change pixels. The backend computer has the CPUs and GPUs (yes, can be more than one, also virtualized). The key difference is where your PC and monitor have a constancy video stream, the desktop server transmits changed pixels only into the video stream between your client and monitor. Its incredibly efficient.
3. No, not at all. I'm not going to get into a detailed discussion about caching, network accelerators and compressed data streams. I can tell you that there is a top 5 defense contractor who used this technology to support 3D modeling of entire aircraft carriers. You can virtually walk every deck, every catwalk, see every part of the carrier from tower to interior keel and its all done using VDI workstations. Nothing you do on a home computer will ever be as complex as this and it works, even for their remote users.
4. They use it because it saves money and increases productivity. It cuts their desktop budget by 90%. When you have 500,000 employees and a $800 per desktop, that is real money. And remember, the entire computer industry knows this is the direction of the industry, including the hardware and software vendors you use now. They are planning and developing to this direction. You either evolve or you will find that everyone has left you behind. Technology is not going to stagnate to anyone's comfort level.
 
EQN said: I still have control. What your suggesting with these non computers is that it is the same when it is not...you have no control, you don't own everything you are using and now are subject to relying on your remote desktop service being up

Maybe companies will own their own clouds ?
So they will be in TOTAL CONTROL.
A retro wording for this scenario is that the company will have it's own mainframe.

At the end of the day ... the world is getting faster and faster.
A mainframe could update every person's workspace instantly.
A rollout of a windows change to 100,000 PCs might take months.

To me .... I think the connectivity is what will fuel the centralization of computing groups. People say the desktop could have "web services" but I just don't see that as practical.
 
Yeah, two weeks ago, I updated 20,000 users from Windows XP/Office 2003 to Windows 7/Office 2010 in 10 minutes. When you decouple the apps from the desktop and the desktop from the end user, you can change out either. They had a new OS, a new version of Office, all they networked drives and all the other apps they were registered for. Seamless and easy.

Mainframes? Hell, today's blades are more powerful than a mainframe was only ten years ago. with four hexacore CPUs and 256 GB of RAM in a blade, there's not much need for big iron anymore. VMware does on the blade what LPARs and CICS did for the mainframe.
 
Maybe companies will own their own clouds ?
So they will be in TOTAL CONTROL.
A retro wording for this scenario is that the company will have it's own mainframe.

At the end of the day ... the world is getting faster and faster.
A mainframe could update every person's workspace instantly.
A rollout of a windows change to 100,000 PCs might take months.

To me .... I think the connectivity is what will fuel the centralization of computing groups. People say the desktop could have "web services" but I just don't see that as practical.

In the end , a centrally controlled desktop grid isn't even an option unless every home is capable of being hardwired @ 10 Gbits/s ...at that point I would concede my berating of this idea and consider it a viable option worth half an argument at that time.



1. BS. That streaming video clip performed like it was a local desktop. At least be honest.
2. SATA2? Thats going away too. Besides, your storage wouldn't be local either. You'll have however much storage you need and can afford. Remember, video is rendered between the client and the monitor just like a PC renders to a screen. The only difference is that the network is transmitting the change pixels. The backend computer has the CPUs and GPUs (yes, can be more than one, also virtualized). The key difference is where your PC and monitor have a constancy video stream, the desktop server transmits changed pixels only into the video stream between your client and monitor. Its incredibly efficient.
3. No, not at all. I'm not going to get into a detailed discussion about caching, network accelerators and compressed data streams. I can tell you that there is a top 5 defense contractor who used this technology to support 3D modeling of entire aircraft carriers. You can virtually walk every deck, every catwalk, see every part of the carrier from tower to interior keel and its all done using VDI workstations. Nothing you do on a home computer will ever be as complex as this and it works, even for their remote users.
4. They use it because it saves money and increases productivity. It cuts their desktop budget by 90%. When you have 500,000 employees and a $800 per desktop, that is real money. And remember, the entire computer industry knows this is the direction of the industry, including the hardware and software vendors you use now. They are planning and developing to this direction. You either evolve or you will find that everyone has left you behind. Technology is not going to stagnate to anyone's comfort level.

1. Word to my country I was being honest. 1:1 desktop capture or it is crap, and I want to see that environment getting some exercise, I want to see the video being re sized in real-time, I want to see at random, movies from a library being started in real-time and then half a second after opening of the file seek to an hour in. I want to see how many tasks can be executed while that movie is playing and have the virtualization feel transparent by looks in said video. This video did nothing to prove any point in my eyes having experience with virtualization and thin clients a lil bit myself.

2. I need my personal data here and only here (here being the where in reference to my location) and that is non negotiable. Many people agree with me. I also don't want to have all my movies on a remote server so that I go over my isp's 250 gig a month fair usage policy in two weeks just from people in the house watching tv and listening to their music. There is nothing I can do about that as far as raising a cap. I would need a buisness class internet connection at home and for the speed I am connected at up and downstream currently it would be around $300/month + for that.

3. How much would it cost for me to 'rent' contractually that resource pool he required. And for that matter how much would it cost me to have an average of 12 gigs of ram allocated per machine for all 10 machines that I simultaniously run currently in my house @monthly for this virtualized desktop service.

And I also work in 3d on some of my computers so an aircraft carrier is not really anything different than the parts explosion for a machine which is complex and exact and also has to be able to be simulated in all modes and aspects of operation which which is resource heavy regardless. Creating a spline and a camera path is what it is and rendering is rendering no matter what the item in question is. Bigger size and higher density of detail raises the needs for rendering resource pool and that is obvious but what I am saying is how much is it going to cost me to replicate a beast pc with 64gigs of ram and a board powered by 2 Xeon E5-2690's? let alone the other machines I own.

4. On the matter of companies and computers and blah blah and all that....if companies purchase x-to the-y factor amount of computers, then it is safe to assume there is close to x(y) users that work with those computers who also own at least one pc or mac and a laptop or mobile device otherwise. If you add in all of the rest of the people (not included already in our tally) who use them for entertainment, gaming, design, photo finishing, coding, hacking, and just plain old screwin' around...you already have more computers than cooperate. I didn't even include people who use them for business be it on the internet selling a making and or selling tangible goods or the manufacturing industry utilizing computers in their workflow including mechanical control of individual apparatuses to piece tracking, quality inspection, office report generation, time-clock, payroll, inventory, and shipping. Yeah I think there is a couple of pc customers out there for a good while to come so it being built isn't even a question. VDI as a takeover of technology is pure hype for now in general for most people like many things in the past. People will still want and need computers at a high enough demand to have the need for companies to manufacture components for them.
 
I wasn't sure what to call this thread.

Candidates were:

Good riddance
Is the PC dying?
Not a moment too soon...
What a fad!

Bottom line is this: I think the traditional PC is on its way out. (And with it, of course, the device that spawned a gazillion forums.)

If the PC is on its last legs, or beginning to wobble like a drunk headed for the curb, I'd like to say, "thank goodness!" Take a step back from these past 20 years, and what I want to say is this: What a horrible way to spend one's life! Sitting in front of a computer screen, looking at some CRT or LCD rather than into a real person's eyes.

These past decades have been just sad, in human terms.

Anyone agree?

I really don't think the PC, as in Desktop PC is on it's way out. I've had numerous laptops bought with the idea of using them instead of the desktop, and the fact they are mobile to be used anywhere. But always end-up using the desktop most still for lots of reasons. Laptops are OK for short spells, or for sitting outside with if it's a sunny day. But a pain for using full time as a complete replacement for a full sized desktop PC, even with a proper external mouse plugged into a laptop via USB. Which I always do, can't use those finger mouse-pads they come with, would end-up smashing the things up through frustration trying to use them.

Laptops for me, just make hard work of everything a desktop PC does with ease and much faster.
 
An obvious problem with this is quite honestly the same thing that happens to VPSs. A user abuses the system/resources and all other users have to suffer, yea you can just ban the user but then they will just try and re-register for the service or someone else will do it. Unless everyone is getting their own box then this has yet another pitfall. You can virtualize it all you want and you can make it to where everyone is given their own slice/portion of the server but then I'd hate to max out on resources and lose something that I was working on...
 
An obvious problem with this is quite honestly the same thing that happens to VPSs. A user abuses the system/resources and all other users have to suffer, yea you can just ban the user but then they will just try and re-register for the service or someone else will do it. Unless everyone is getting their own box then this has yet another pitfall. You can virtualize it all you want and you can make it to where everyone is given their own slice/portion of the server but then I'd hate to max out on resources and lose something that I was working on...
It doesn't work that way. Every user runs in their own virtual machine which is created for their session and then un-provisioned and returned to the resource pool when complete. Supporting an additional 200 users is as simple as adding another $5K blade. All users share the same maybe half a dozen PXE boot images, so maintenance is a snap and the app server serves subscribed/authorized apps to the desktop as though they were installed on a local server. Its fast, efficient, easy to manage and cost effective. Buying a SaaS subscription is more economical than buying the software on a single user license.
 
Since we moved to a smaller home I've had to ditch my PC and rely on a lap top, I'd give anything to have my PC back, much more comfortable to work at.
 
An obvious problem with this is quite honestly the same thing that happens to VPSs. A user abuses the system/resources and all other users have to suffer, yea you can just ban the user but then they will just try and re-register for the service or someone else will do it. Unless everyone is getting their own box then this has yet another pitfall. You can virtualize it all you want and you can make it to where everyone is given their own slice/portion of the server but then I'd hate to max out on resources and lose something that I was working on...
Think of it more like this.
https://order.1and1.com/CloudDynamicServer

I can add/remove CPU's and RAM as I please, plus I'm not affected by other users as it's a dedicated server environment.
 
for your public web server.....key point here.
No, its the same underlying technology. VDI desktop server is auto provisioned when a user authenticates and de-provisioned when they log off with the resourced returned to the server pool. It requires a high degree of automation, but thats what products like VMware vCloud Director are intended to do.
 
i am talking about why it is ok...it is a public webserver, privacy and control isn't needed as much as my desktop. Technological ability means nothing if it used against the principle of usefulness.
 
I really don't think the PC, as in Desktop PC is on it's way out.

Do you have an iPad and/or iPhone?

If not, that's why.

The desktop is quickly becoming a development-only tool, and thank goodness! Human beings sitting for hours on end at desktops was simply not meant to be!
 
Do you have an iPad and/or iPhone?

If not, that's why.

The desktop is quickly becoming a development-only tool, and thank goodness! Human beings sitting for hours on end at desktops was simply not meant to be!

I must be old fashioned, I prefer the desktop sitting on a fluffy cushion on my soft leather chair with a built in heater and vibrating back massager. Looking at a large screen, one I don't need glasses to read the text. :)

Phones are way too small and fiddly for me to use, I even find laptops hard work for using, never mind a phone. Plus I use a few programs all the time making a mobile pretty useless for my needs, mobiles are just for browsing and using websites really.
 
Do you have an iPad and/or iPhone?

If not, that's why.

The desktop is quickly becoming a development-only tool, and thank goodness! Human beings sitting for hours on end at desktops was simply not meant to be!
Completely and utterly false. While a tablet like the Asus Transformer can be used as a stopgap solution in place o a netbook/laptop/desktop, it still isn't optimal to do anything more than light activities. Anything that requires productivity is still primarily done on your computer.

Tasks that do not require a lot of screen real estate, typing or resources can be done on a tablet or phone. This basically limits to recreational activities such as reading (e-books), web browsing, listening to music, media streaming (movies/tv), and casual gaming. Gaming, development, design, and most writing would be out of the question.
 
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