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How is the product going to be licensed?

Discussion in 'XenForo Pre-Sales Questions' started by Shamil, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    We've been told that xenForo is under a commercial license, and the pricing scheme will be competitive to that of vBulletin and IP.B.

    However, do you think xenForo would benefit more from having a "subscription" style system, such as the prior used by vBulletin. i.e. paying for updates/support?
     
  2. Sador

    Sador Well-Known Member

    Really depends on the pricing imo. If they're gonna charge (made up amount) 250 dollars for the software, and also an annual renewal fee, it would become way too expansive, especially if future addons (CMS, for example) also would have to be bought separately. On the other hand, unless they're going to be upfront and totally honest with us about what they're gonna do and when, I think a 'life time license' wouldn't really work either.
     
  3. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    I highly doubt they'll do that: expensive + renewal fee.
     
  4. jonsidneyb

    jonsidneyb Well-Known Member

    I hope this is not a topic stray but I like things kind of alacarte. There are some features I have no interest in and it just clutters things for me.

    Some of the things I think should be separate items.
     
  5. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    Not a stray at all :) Can you give an example of what you mean, just for clarification?
     
  6. jonsidneyb

    jonsidneyb Well-Known Member

    When i got vB suite....I did not want the blog at all.

    I want to do things like that purely with articles.

    I want the software to be clean basic an uncluttered as possible.

    I actually want to remove stuff from vB4.
     
  7. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    I felt screwed over - I have both PT and Blog.
     
  8. kyrgyz

    kyrgyz Well-Known Member

    They just need to mathematically solve it first (use derivatives?) and come up with optimal setup for xF and for its customers so that XenForo can have enough funds to sustain itself and grow, and xFcustomers can afford it. To me it looks like it's better to adopt IPB pricing system.
     
  9. Brandon_R

    Brandon_R Guest

    Yep, optimization FTW.

    PS Second calculus reference for xF today. Check out my sig :p
     
  10. el canadiano

    el canadiano Active Member

    I would honestly rather have an IPB pricing scheme than vBulletin's. It offers more for less (ie. ticket support that actually helps you), and you get to choose what you want (I didn't think everyone wanted vBulletin 4's CMS). I also don't want to pay full price again when something like XenForo 2 comes around.
     
  11. Kier said in a different thread that he was leaning towards the old format of the vbulletin license.
     
  12. kyrgyz

    kyrgyz Well-Known Member

    Math always wins like order vs chaos.;)
     
  13. Onimua

    Onimua Well-Known Member

    I decided to outline something I think would suffice if it were close to this. I tossed in some products just to demonstrate the licensing/renewal potion a bit better.
    • License (yearly renewal, not version specific) - $140
      • Renewal (optional) for 1 year - $25
        • Renewal fee covers all purchased add-ons as well, only adding whatever renewal costs is
    • Blog - $35
      • Addition to renewal fee - $5
    • Gallery - $50
      • Addition to renewal fee - $8
    • Content Management System - $80
      • Addition to renewal fee - $12
    • Calendar - $20
      • Addition to renewal fee - $5
    • Online Chat - $30
      • Addition to renewal fee - $6
    The above is just a random example. If there's a simple flat fee for the renewal and add-ons are covers by it automatically, that would be fantastic, but if not, something cheap that would also add on to the renewal fee would be fine as long as an individual add-on doesn't expire (meaning if you have an active forum license, you have an active add-on license too).

    If the prices were anything like the above, it'd be great I think.
     
  14. Sador

    Sador Well-Known Member

    I'd disagree, sorry.
     
  15. Brandon_R

    Brandon_R Guest

    $6, $5 ?

    I doubt it would be that low.
     
  16. Onimua

    Onimua Well-Known Member

    Yeah I know, but as it's tossed into addition to the renewal fee, it does add up. If I had the Blog and Gallery, my full renewal fee would be $38 total, and so on with each additional add-on. I'm not saying it'd be that low (I'd be crazy if I did), but just demonstrating how the cost would go up slowly depending on how much you have tacked on.
     
  17. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    Can you offer a better alternative?
     
  18. Sador

    Sador Well-Known Member

    Although I'm not saying vB's way was better, let's just look at how this ads up:

    140 + 35 + 80 + 20 + 50 + 30 = 355 dollar.
    25 + 5 + 8 + 12 + 5 + 6 = 61 dollar each year.

    That's rather expansive, in my humble opinion.

    Rather, why not give discounts depending on what amount of products you take? Pay relatively more for each product if you only take Forums + CMS for example, while paying relatively less for each product if you take multiple products. Same for the annual renewal fee. Give a discount when you get multiple products. And not just when you buy them all in once, but also if you bought two and then later decide to add another one.

    Personally, I think that would be way more interesting for customers.
     
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  19. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    Sador's implementation is rather interesting, and I can see where he's going. Such discounts could work effectively.

    Another thing to ponder on is VAT in EU.
     

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