Has Elon Musk lost his mind or?…

[frm]

Here.

"That's not pornography"..."That's art."

 

[smallwheels]

Jeez boy, Don’t take “we” so personally.

I don't. I just asked for clarification whome you mean when saying "we". Should be easy to answer but it seems it is impossible for you.

It’s still early in the morning, prepare your coffee and then reply.

You may not be aware that other countries than the US exist and you are posting to a UK based forum. So alien to the concept of timezones. Be assured that those do exist. Here in Europe it is mid afternoon, so a bit very late for a morning coffee.

 

[Starbucks]

I don't. I just asked for clarification whome you mean when saying "we". Should be easy to answer but it seems it is impossible for you.

You may not be aware that other countries than the US exist and you are posting to a UK based forum. So alien to the concept of timezones. Be assured that those do exist. Here in Europe it is mid afternoon, so a bit very late for a morning coffee.

I’m not American. I’m Dutch. So hello to a fellow European. However I don’t live in Europe anymore but in Argentina.

But I like the way you thought I’m American. I mean, let’s face they’re the most powerful (on military-side) country in the world, which I heavily respect.

Also, fun side note, your country is part of NATO, which has a Dutch chief, Mark Rutte. My previous prime minister.

So, smallwheelie, keep it easy, and you’re always welcome to visit your Malvinas (even though the Argentinians keep claiming it’s theirs pero bueno)

And late for coffee? It’s never late for coffee!

 

[Wing]

No one said Trump is a Nazi. I am a little baffled where in your opinion
- could you explain please?

For starters:

The thing is: We use to say "if fashism comes back it won't say 'Hi, I'm the fashism, I'm back" - it will be more subtile. This is why we've learned to watch out early for the patterns that led to fashism, the Nazis and the Holocaust as a consequence. One of those patterns is "us vs. them" in a pretty harsh rethoric. It is populism: (Too) simple solutions for complex problems and focussing to find someone that is to be blamed for all the evil. It is using outright lies constantly, especially about people that do not share the own opinion. It is caring more who says something than about the content and then blindly buying whatever the person we like says while absolutely denying what the opponent says, independent of the content.

We do see all of these patterns with Trump - he even created the term "alternative facts". He is spreading obvious lies constantly - and neither him nor his followers care. In opposite: They amplify his messaging and convert it into pure hate speech. So these are clearly visible warning signs. This is not Nazi or fashism - but it may lead to it.

Therefor I would clearly not state "Trump is a Nazi". Again this would be vastly oversimplification. I cannot even say if it constant lying is deliberately, lack of knowledge and education, stupidy or senility. Possibly he simply does not care for what's true or not - whatever he says becomes the truth, at least with his followers. Facts, let alone science, have become completely irrelevant for them. Rather are they annoying, disturbing or even a threat. Clearly, his respectless behaviour towards others - to me and many others - shows (along with many other things) sings of a bad character. But that's not fashism. He is egocentric, he is a Narcist, he is a liar, he is a populist and he is a materialistic egoist. But probably not a Nazi (at least based on what's visible now) - still he is a very destructive person and this is what makes him dangerous. The MAGA movement clearly shows signs of a fashist cult. Which again does not necessarily lead to fashism or a new Holocaust. But you see the radicalisation, the disrespect for others, the spitting on the weak and all those patterns of an attitude that MAGAs see themselves as "superior" and worth more than others - and this has in fact always been the foundation of outright fashism. One can see this will all the hate and double standards, the call for "revenge" against people with different opinions than MAGA and the lust for punishing them for nothing but for them having a different opinion. Somewhere between a really bad version of "the winner takes it all" and "burn that witch".

So in my opinion the US as a society have taken a dangerous route here and the fact that you and others are bluntly and radically denying that there are warning signs (and instead constantly say "but the others! They are guilty!") makes it even more worrying. There seem to be no more values in MAGA then "we have the power", "us first, don't care about anyone else" and "we have the right to threaten everyone who is weaker than us and to with him whatever we want" - in my eye not exactly a set of positive values.

What one can surely say ist that from a European perspective the US have become a less friendly society, a less reliable international partner and even changed from being a reliable friend to potentially (or even factually when thinking of Canada, Greenland and Panama) being an aggressive threat to every other country. The new government has decided that whatever contracts, rules, connections and behaviours have been established over the last decades is no longer valid for them, so the only reliable thing is that others can no longer rely on or even trust in the US. This is a logical consequence of the lived reality of "America first" and so within days a lot of trust has deliberately been destroyed that needed decades to built up. Trump and the MAGAs want to set the rules for the world and to dominate it even more as the US did to a degree already but now no longer in a friendly, protective but in an aggressive way w/o caring or even listening to the opinons or needs of other countries but only for the own benefit. So internationally the same pattern as within the US and the US have become a dangerous bully within only a couple of days. While MAGAs celebrate that others see this way less positive (and not from an egoistic but from a global perspective) - and no matter how one looks at it: It will no doubt have harsh consequences and overall I do have my doubts that these will be positive. For neither of the parties involved.

Your post sounds like a huge word salad of saying "Trump is not a Nazi, BUT he may be a fascist". Or he may not be A FASCIST? WHICH IS IT?
Huge nothing burger of text, to try and explain your tantrum. Again, people are not buying it anymore. Instead of relying on liberal propaganda, lets see what actually happens over the next 4 years instead of creating nauseating headlines and theories every time Trump fails to hold his fork correctly while eating.

Just in this first week alone, he has done an incredible amount of work to begin fixing the damage done to the US. This is not "fascist". This is attempting to get our country back on track. Now when it comes to Elon, I am holding my reservations entirely of his gameplan... we will see. But he is not Presidential caliber IMO, and he has other ideas in mind. Being a Nazi is not one of those ideas tho. We will have to see how the next 4 years pan out.

 

[Mr Lucky]

As previously mentioned, all kinds of topics came across, including the Bible which also had nothing to do with Elon musk. You even said you wouldn’t tell your kids about sex education. What does that have to do with Elon musk?

I imagine I was responding to some previous posts, this one you posted seemed to just be posted out of the blue for no reason I could tell, hence I asked.

But more to the point, I just wanted to know (out of curiosity) what it is as it seems weird.

A “bit” weird? I hope you’re joking. This is ridiculous.

I didn't watch it. I've watched it now and it seems very weird, with children touching a man's foot - but what is it? Is it some kind of performance art? I do tend to think some of that stuff can be ridiculous, but to each his own.

I'm interested in knowing what it is and how it relates, if not to Elon Musk exactly, then how it relates to anything being discussed here. Obviously there must be a point or you wouldn't have posted it.

 

[smallwheels]

Huge nothing burger of text, to try and explain your tantrum.

Well, obviously you only accept only simple statements and answers and - as a consequence - strict judgment: Either you share my opinion or you are an enemy. If that's how your world works: Your problem, not mine - todays world is way too complex for simple answers. The eagerness for simple answers and the willingness to believe in them is what makes Trump and alike sucessfull with people who have their issues with anything that goes beyond a simple (but probably wrong) statement.

Funny how you complain that people would say Trump was a Nazi while I say I am not convinced - there are matching patterns, but how it will develop is open, so for the moment: No. You complain about that as it does not fit your simple views: I do not agree with Trump thus I must be a liberal (aka son of the devil) and thus I must claim that Trump is a Nazi. Which then gives you the opportunity to yell at me which you opportuntiy had not if I didn't say he would be a Nazi. So now you effectively yell at me because I don't say that Trump is a Nazi but you want me to say that. So it does not matter what I say: You would yell anyway as long as I won't sing the MAGA chorus.

Just in this first week alone, he has done an incredible amount of work to begin fixing the damage done to the US.

No doubt a lot has happened in this first week. He himself has basically signed a lot of documents and bullied a lot of people and threatened other nations. Don't know if this was a lot of work and doubt, that what happened was "fixing damage done to the US". Possibly overall it was rather creating more massive damage (sustainable damage that is not easy to fix) - within the US as well as externally. And as you say: This was only week one. And btw: Egg prices haven risen dramatically instead of falling like he promised.

The strength of the US rests on three feet: Military strength, economic strength and being primus inter pares in the international partnerships with other nations of the western world. Trump is eagerly cutting the latter, destroying trust and basically isolating the US longterm. Tarifs will fire back harshly on the US, so furhter weaken the economic foot. The other nations will, as a consequence of Trumps behaviour, probable create new networks and partnerships - that leave out the US which will weaken and isolate the US further. So what's left is military strength. But Trump, erratic as he is, is not a military leader (plus don't forget how he cowardly avoided his own military service by faking an illness with his foot). He provenly lacks respect for the US military and does apart from that not want to be involved in wars - at least that's what he always said. Clear as water that other western nations relied to heavily on the US military strength for years already. So they will have to do their homework. Which as a consequence will make them more independent from the US - and therefor weaken the third and remaining foot of the US as well.

So currently I cannot see how what Trump does will in any way make Amerika great again. Rather will it destroy the nation internally, weaken the international relevance and influence of the US dramatically and very negatively effect the US economy and the wealth and wellbeing of citizens of the US apart from the very rich (that already got the first tax relief). But then again he was elected by the people because they believed the message that he, a rich born billionaire would, along with his equally rich born billionaire friend Elon Musk fight the "rich elites" in favor to the ordinary American worker. Hard to believe but still people bought the story (again) and we already see who benefits financially from his first week: Clearly not the ordinary American worker. But we will see how it goes.

 

[frm]

I didn't watch it. I've watched it now and it seems very weird, with children touching a man's foot - but what is it? Is it some kind of performance art? I do tend to think some of that stuff can be ridiculous, but to each his own.

You ought to be kidding, right?

There's a big BLACK BOX over the man where SOMETHING naturally is, censored from our view, that a woman POINTS OUT to the child, and the performance art that you just watched of a kid "touching a man's foot" while crawling on their hands and knees around them tends to be a little ridiculous?

Please remind me to keep any kids under my care away from you.

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I imagine I was responding to some previous posts, this one you posted seemed to just be posted out of the blue for no reason I could tell, hence I asked.

But more to the point, I just wanted to know (out of curiosity) what it is as it seems weird.


I didn't watch it. I've watched it now and it seems very weird, with children touching a man's foot - but what is it? Is it some kind of performance art? I do tend to think some of that stuff can be ridiculous, but to each his own.

I'm interested in knowing what it is and how it relates, if not to Elon Musk exactly, then how it relates to anything being discussed here. Obviously there must be a point or you wouldn't have posted it.

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So this weird sh.. that’s going viral on Twitter just got shared by President Javier Milei:

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Seeing this makes me just, very angry tbh. Why are we doing this?

I don't need a "gotcha" moment. That's all anyone needs to understand more about your ideals.

 

[Wing]

You ought to be kidding, right?

There's a big BLACK BOX over the man where SOMETHING naturally is, censored from our view, that a woman POINTS OUT to the child, and the performance art that you just watched of a kid "touching a man's foot" while crawling on their hands and knees around them tends to be a little ridiculous?

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I don't need a "gotcha" moment. That's all anyone needs to understand more about your ideals.

Keep in mind, you’re also potentially a fascist for not agreeing to this liberal lunacy.

 

[frm]

Back onto the topic of Musk. Great news that DOGE is doing its job finding pennies to cut (pun intended for later) from the budget to get the total fat down. Yep, it looks like they used an image from the same event where he "nazi saluted" to send out his love to American patriots, awesome.

DOGE head Elon Musk remarked via X such an expense was the “tip of iceberg,” adding that “my guess is that a lot of that money ended up in the pockets Hamas, not actually condoms.”

Source: https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/...ration-government-efficiency-karoline-leavitt

Two questions with this one.

1. Why aren't we sending that $50 million to Hurricane Helene victims? I know it split across 100,000 households is still a slap in the face at another $500 check (plus the $750 they got [with a lot of red tape]), but it's a start to helping our own.
2. Why are we funding condoms specifically to Gaza? The reason for condoms are twofold: 1) to protect against STDs and 2) to prevent pregnancies. I would go with the latter reason behind why, as there is a "global population problem", but why to Gaza? Is it because they'd stop reproducing and slow down population growth there?

And on to my pennies pun, DOGE found a potential savings of $179 million (based on FY 2023) by halting the pressing of pennies (or changing it to a different metal, but that's my 2 cents) because it cost 3 cents to make every 1 cent penny.
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...doge-penny-money-saving-currency/77936837007/

 

[frm]

Keep in mind, you’re also potentially a fascist for not agreeing to this liberal lunacy.

Well, damn. I guess I'm a fascist then.

 

[Mr Lucky]

You ought to be kidding, right?

I’m not kidding. Whatever is going on there, it should not involve children.

There's a big BLACK BOX over the man where SOMETHING naturally is, censored from our view, that a woman POINTS OUT to the child, and the performance art that you just watched of a kid "touching a man's foot" while crawling on their hands and knees around them tends to be a little ridiculous?

I said It was very weird and ridiculous. (I didn’t say a little ridiculous, I was agreeing with @Starbucks who said it was weird sh.. and “this is ridiculous” I absolutely would not want my kids, or anyone’s, involved in anything like that. Yes weird sh.. indeed, and ridiculous.

Keep in mind, you’re also potentially a fascist for not agreeing to this liberal lunacy.

I wouldn’t agree to it either but I don’t think that would potentially make me a fascist. Call me old fashioned, but I would not call that art, or try to excuse it under the name of art.

I hope this has cleared up the confusion about what I posted and what I think about this video.

But I still don’t know how it relates to the thread. I’m not saying it doesn’t, I just want to know which post/s it is in context with as I don’t have time to read through the whole thread again. It would probably help the discussion to understand the relevance.

 

[Opus X]

Yeah cause shipping illegals out of the country is exactly like shipping people off in train cars.

N

how about shipping legal residents out of the country simply because they violated a law?
face it.
trump wants to go back to the draconian days of the 1700's-early 1900's.
he lives in the past and cannot deal with the now.

 

[Opus X]

Quit making assumptions of me to try and support your argument.

you do an adequate job by your posts that nobody needs to make any assumptions.

 

[Opus X]

They do though, cause partisan politics is all they know.

and you think the glorious MAGA right is any different?

 

[Opus X]

dare we say it?
i have not been around long but it appears that brogan may be missed with the hammer.

 

[frm]

I said It was very weird and ridiculous. (I didn’t say a little ridiculous, I was agreeing with @Starbucks who said it was weird sh.. and “this is ridiculous” I absolutely would not want my kids, or anyone’s, involved in anything like that. Yes weird sh.. indeed, and ridiculous.

I'll take this as genuine as I don't want to believe there are sickos here. However, in the context of that conversation, that is not what you said.

But, you did walk it back, so I'll take it as is.

I’m not kidding. Whatever is going on there, it should not involve children.

 

[frm]

I'm a fan of freedom, but no particular allegiance to anyone who wields the power and masquerades that, as absolute power can corrupt any individual or organization. Not a Musk fan, not a Zucc fan, just a guy that strongly believes in the 1 fundamental document that all should follow. I hope that made my position to you clearer.

you do an adequate job by your posts that nobody needs to make any assumptions.

You got me messed up with the wrong person.

how about shipping legal residents out of the country simply because they violated a law?
face it.
trump wants to go back to the draconian days of the 1700's-early 1900's.
he lives in the past and cannot deal with the now.

You're delusional if that's what you think will happen.

and you think the glorious MAGA right is any different?

MAGA tried to be bi-partisan with the old guard RINOS/neo-cons/etc., but when the votes came up, they swung with the party. So, who's partisan again?

As long as there's an ideolog, in any party, willing to accept common sense, I can make a bipartisan agreement with them and we might both get a little of what we want. It's better to get an inch than never take a mile. Right now, common sense is on the line. Protecting traditional American values is on the line; protecting our border is on the line; restoring water to California because they wanted to flush it out to the ocean is on the line; and many other common sense ideas are on the line. Common sense left both parties, and MAGA is reshaping that. For as long as common sense prevails, I will align myself with that party, but as soon as they step out of bounds, like in your delusional statement in clear violation of the Constitution above about shipping legal residents out without due process, is when I step away, as I said, I do not align myself with any party or faction that does not uphold the Constitution, a sad attempt to try to corner me there.

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[Opus X]

You got me messed up with the wrong person

no your comments clearly show your position.
even though you may want to look like jello.

You're delusional if that's what you think will happen.

we shall see.
Trump and his cult followers live in the early 20'th century when it comes to tariffs.
most of those that have more knowledge than he agree that his stance is idiotic.

MAGA tried to be bi-partisan with the old guard RINOS/neo-cons/etc., but when the votes came up, they swung with the party. So, who's partisan again?yYeah, right. And wild animals have all been taught to go potty in approved areas.

MAGA has never been bipartisan and if you believe so you are under the influence of something.
yeah and hell no, you think we are supposed to believe that tariffs will pay for all of Trumps wants.
dream and fantasize on if you think is not going to be us that pays for that... just another tax.
but don't start crying when reality decides to take a massive chomp out of your a**.
meanwhile, those very eggs that Trump complained about and promised to get under control are up another 36'ish percent over when Biden left office.
and what has he done?
given feed to his wealthy sycophants and ignored the working class.
eventually you will have to acknowledge reality or be confirmed to be living in a fantasy cult world.
i find it amusing when reality comes and bites the cult faithful in their sensitive parts.
and that applies to both sides.

 

[frm]

MAGA has never been bipartisan and if you believe so you are under the influence of something.

They tried to be with Republicans in 2016~. And now that MAGA has control, there's no way to give that power up if they're sticking to common sense and following what is in the best interest of the country, as the Republicans surely weren't.

yeah and hell no, you think we are supposed to believe that tariffs will pay for all of Trumps wants.

Doesn't necessarily have to "pay" for anything. See Columbia's flip in 24 hours from "We're not taking them back" to "You can have our Presidential plane!!!". Pay can be interpreted differently in that context.

meanwhile, those very eggs that Trump complained about and promised to get under control are up another 36'ish percent over when Biden left office.

Futures are forward-looking, but we have to look at one of the root causes of the problem too. If there was an announcement that they just hatched 20 million more eggs that could be potential egg-layers, it'd be a slow trickle-down, as eventually there would be a replacement for those eggs.

More than 20 million egg-laying chickens in the U.S. died last quarter because of bird flu, data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture shows, marking the worst toll inflicted on America's egg supply since the outbreak began.

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/egg-industry-chicken-deaths-bird-flu/
I'd assure you, that if he could lay eggs to replace 20 million egg-laying chickens overnight, those prices would immediately come down. But, we have to let nature take its course on this one.

You also need to factor in energy costs as it takes a lot of money to ship eggs around the country. That's being taken care of, so it shouldn't be an issue when we get a grip on chickens to supply the demand.

eventually you will have to acknowledge reality or be confirmed to be living in a fantasy cult world.

I assure you by 2028, you will see a difference. Bookmark this post.

We'll see an even bigger change if we can hold 2028 as the House is dependent on the 2030 Census, which does not at this time include "Are you a US Citizen?" on it.

 

[Mr Lucky]

I'll take this as genuine as I don't want to believe there are sickos here.

However, in the context of that conversation, that is not what you said.

But, you did walk it back, so I'll take it as is.

I walked nothing back beyond revising it once I'd seen the video - to point out that what I originally thought was bit weird (the single image) became obviously very weird seeing the interaction with the little girl and the man. I then went on to say that I agreed totally with what Starbucks said - all in the light of having watched it.

Do you see the misquoting here?

that you just watched of a kid "touching a man's foot" while crawling on their hands and knees around them tends to be a little ridiculous?

That is twisting my words.I never said the child touching the man's foot tended to be a little ridiculous. Go back and see what I wrote. The ridiculous part was about the performance art genre some of it being ridiculous as in "do tend to think some of that stuff can be ridiculous, but to each his own." (But then I'm still not sure whether this was performance art or what? I've asked the question and nobody seems to know. It was Starbucks who actually called the video ridiculous. (Although I do agree with him)

You seemed to have misinterpreted or misunderstood what I said to infer something very nasty and I'd advise you to get your facts straight and be more careful about what you say about people.