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the bible is a book.
it has already been removed from some schools because of content in it.
using the same argument that other books involving graphic or taboo sex acts in it have been.
it just happens that it is a book that a segment of society bases their worship on.
 
Yikes if you believe that should be in public schools for 13 year olds to access without parental consent.

I'd also toss out 50 Shades and other "graphic" (literature in these cases) romance/novels.

In middle school/high school? No thanks. College, no problem.

Edit: If I interpreted you correctly, you said 50 Shades is there, so why can't this? I drew a hard line that neither should, while you deflected with other titles.
I didn’t say that, which just kinda makes me wonder what else you think I said.

There is a huge difference between a) what should(n’t) be in school libraries, b) what should(n’t) be in public libraries and c) what should(n’t) be for sale.

No one argues that Fifty Shades shouldn’t be in school libraries, it’s not last I checked. But I don’t think it needed to be added to a banned list to make that point either. Similarly, there’s no end of books that probably don’t need a lot of debate about being in a K-12 library - War and Peace, Crime and Punishment, Lolita, to pick three for three different reasons. Meanwhile you have works like Nineteen-Eighty Four that also has some questions about whether it should be in a K-12 library. (In case you were wondering, the book has quite emphatic points to make not only on the extremities of authoritarianism but s*x, t*rture and straight-up m*rder happen in the book, in that order.)

If you think the book’s message is fundamentally harmful, it shouldn’t be on sale at all. No one should read it. Taking it out of public libraries and making it only available for sale isn’t censorship as much as it is censoring it for the less privileged in society. Those who can’t afford to read it, or would be otherwise disadvantaged by reading it.

But that is of course the point. Keeping things out of schools is mostly about protecting those who don’t have the resilience, learning and understanding. Keeping things out of public libraries - but still in publication - is very nastily akin to that “do the research” line you hear about. “Do the research, form your own opinions - but don’t read that one, never that one, that’s wrong” isn’t as punchy a soundbite, is it?

It’s one of the reasons I find the whole “free speech” debate so frustrating because the supposed defenders of free speech, as far as I can tell, only want free speech if it agrees with them. I take mine from Voltaire for the most part - that I do not have to agree with what you say but I defend your right to say it. And this coming from someone much further left. (I’m not quite far left because I don’t want the entire downfall of capitalism but I absolutely want it reined in.)

Let me ask you this: there is a book that has been reviewed in the last couple of years in a variety of districts for removal from school libraries for violence, vulgarity and much more. In fact I was shocked when I looked at the book and found it had tales of *ncest, m*rder, g*nocide, multiple events that are borderline p*do events, and much more besides. Would you ban it from schools?

Then if I told you it was the Christian Bible, would you still ban it from schools?

And to the person who wonders how we got from Elon Musk to school libraries to here? Musk is absolutely an advocate of the sorts of policies that curtail freedoms for some and not others. What he does, the standard he carries, emboldens his acolytes. The behaviours you see on X that you don’t agree with will be in your forum soon enough because it’s being legitimised at scale. That is why it matters.
 
It’s one of the reasons I find the whole “free speech” debate so frustrating because the supposed defenders of free speech, as far as I can tell, only want free speech if it agrees with them. I take mine from Voltaire for the most part - that I do not have to agree with what you say but I defend your right to say it. And this coming from someone much further left. (I’m not quite far left because I don’t want the entire downfall of capitalism but I absolutely want it reined in.)
That’s exactly what people who yap about “free speech” really mean. They want to say things without consequence. They only want their opinions and world view to matter. They’ll always deny it, of course, but anyone who brings it up, especially if they claim they are being “censored,” means this.
 
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That’s exactly what people who yap about “free speech” really mean. They want to say things without consequence. They only want their opinions and world view to matter. They’ll always deny it, of course, but anyone who brings it up, especially if they claim they are being “censored,” means this.
Free speech means not politically correct.
This is generally not allowed if you have those rules and laws that are needed.
Everything is PC these days.
So you have to be very careful when online.
 
Let me ask you this: there is a book that has been reviewed in the last couple of years in a variety of districts for removal from school libraries for violence, vulgarity and much more. In fact I was shocked when I looked at the book and found it had tales of *ncest, m*rder, g*nocide, multiple events that are borderline p*do events, and much more besides. Would you ban it from schools?
I'd tell you to give me a problematic verse.
 
The first person in the world who earned that lot of money, he does not act wrong, all his moves predicted to win, he does not talk much nonsense, they guy who wants to change the world, what is bad with that? or do you prefer Soros & his evil acts?
we have a good proverb: The Dogs Bark, But The Caravan Goes On.
 
And isn’t wanting to get rid of people you don’t like being a bit hypocritical? You want people who think differently from you being silenced or arrested?
Our constitution is a base made and taken from the United States.
Now because of these leftist thoughts, of socialism.
They are against family, they hate Christians...
I don't want them to be arrested...
But it doesn't change and not putting what you think, they want me to believe that you are right. Die with your thoughts "woke" agenda, leave us free.
We are made up of family...
Or are you against the basis of the family?; father, mother, children, etc.
 
Actually many barking were on Twitter, Must bought the whole company, after, they all got sucked! lol
 
I'd tell you to give me a problematic verse.
Let's start with Lot, shall we? Genesis 19 1-8, two angels appear to Lot, he offers his house in hospitality; the crowd demands to know who they are (and in this context they do not mean casually meeting them; this is the tale of the downfall of Sodom), Lot refuses and instead offers his daughters to the crowd, expressly noting their purity in so doing. Verses 24-25 talk about the wholesale murder of the region. Verses 32-36, the daughters of Lot get their father drunk and then proceed to procreate.
 
Now because of these leftist thoughts, of socialism.
They are against family, they hate Christians...
I'm broadly a socialist, I am definitely left leaning because I'd rather pay into a system that helps the whole community rather than enriching just the richest (which is what socialism is, and socialism is not fundamentally at odds with capitalism).

I'm not against family; for reasons I never had (nor wanted) kids but that's my choice, more power to anyone who feels like they're able to take that burden on.

I also don't hate Christians. You do you, just don't mind me doing my thing. What's good for the goose, etc.
 
I'm broadly a socialist, I am definitely left leaning because I'd rather pay into a system that helps the whole community rather than enriching just the richest (which is what socialism is, and socialism is not fundamentally at odds with capitalism).

I'm not against family; for reasons I never had (nor wanted) kids but that's my choice, more power to anyone who feels like they're able to take that burden on.

I also don't hate Christians. You do you, just don't mind me doing my thing. What's good for the goose, etc.
I agree with you, we are different...
You can't be "fanatics" and want to change other people because of an ideology.
So let's live in peace.
A hug😁
 
Now because of these leftist thoughts, of socialism.
They are against family, they hate Christians...
I hope you are joking. Or maybe you just have a warped view of the meaning of socialism. Granted it can encompass a very broad spectrum of left leaning economics and politics and within that broad spectrum there are radicals as well as moderates. I know a lot of socialists and I'd say 99% do not want to destroy capitalism, many have families and/or respect family values and guess what (shock, horror!) many are Christians, I mean, you have to agree surely there is nothing against socialism in Christian doctrine.
 
I don't want them to be arrested...
I want them to be arrested.

I want them to be held to the same standard that they prosecuted J6ers for, except, I hope for a speedy trial if they choose not to waive it, unlike the rights granted, or not provided, rather, to the J6ers.

How many cities burned? How many were arrested? Compare that to January 6 and the treatment of those involved.
Genesis 19 1-8, two angels appear to Lot, he offers his house in hospitality;...

Leviticus 18:6-18 succeeds Genesis. When viewing the Bible as a historical document of legal, moral, and ethical guidelines, akin to the Constitution being the Law of the Land, it mirrors how the Three-Fifths Compromise, part of the 1st Amendment, was nullified by the 14th Amendment. You can't go backward and say "Incest is okay", much like you can't go back and say a Black person can only be counted as Three-Fifths.

Are any other verses that are problematic?
 
When viewing the Bible as a historical document of legal, moral, and ethical guidelines
That's just it, we're not viewing it as a historical document of legal, moral or ethical guidelines. We're talking about whether it could be in a school library for students to read unattended, unabridged and without commentary.

In which case it doesn't matter that a later book supersedes it in terms of moral guidance, the material is still there. Imagine a situation where a K-12 student finds this, goes to ask their parents what the Sodomites mean when asking Lot about 'knowing them' referring to getting frisky with the visitors.

You can't pick and choose which bits of it you want to consider. You either put the whole thing in the library or you don't. Rules aren't there to be selectively enforced when it happens to be convenient or not, but you're smart enough to know that and argue anyway.
 
I hope you are joking. Or maybe you just have a warped view of the meaning of socialism. Granted it can encompass a very broad spectrum of left leaning economics and politics and within that broad spectrum there are radicals as well as moderates. I know a lot of socialists and I'd say 99% do not want to destroy capitalism, many have families and/or respect family values and guess what (shock, horror!) many are Christians, I mean, you have to agree surely there is nothing against socialism in Christian doctrine.
"I hope you're joking. Or maybe you have a distorted view of the meaning of socialism."
I see....
Here at Basil they represent the destruction of the family and the economy, they are against "family," they are for abortion and gender equality (they want my 16 year old daughter to use the same bathroom as a man who thinks he's a woman), "businessmen," and against the "rich."
I just don't want them to reinvent the "WHEEL."
 
That's just it, we're not viewing it as a historical document of legal, moral or ethical guidelines. We're talking about whether it could be in a school library for students to read unattended, unabridged and without commentary.
You realize that this conversation can be interpreted as supporting this in libraries too, right?
If I had to choose, I would remove both. I can hardline the second one if that compromise had to be made, can you?
 
China & India mostly Buddhist, these countries on top 5 world leading economics, so keep religion out of this forum!
China succeeded this based on Communism, Socialism was good in past, but not fits nowadays, in the world of technology & fast evolution,
at least these did not harm humanity as much as democracy!
I have seen Catholic in UK who usually keep visiting church & & seen so called a real Christian in Italy who had never visited church.
 
they represent the destruction of the family and the economy, they are against "family," they are for abortion and gender equality (they want my 16 year old daughter to use the same bathroom as a man who thinks he's a woman),
Yes, it's a very warped idea of socialism.
 
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