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GUNS GUNS GUNS Allowing Firearm transactions on your forum?

Discussion in 'Forum Management' started by DieselMinded, May 6, 2016.

  1. DieselMinded

    DieselMinded Well-Known Member

    what are the legalities of allowing firearm transactions on your website?

    armslist, gun digest, seen.life, google+, mewe all allow it

    Was thinking about adding classifieds to the site and promoting "legal" firearm transfers between members

    anyone doing this? do i need an FFL?
  2. Dakota Storm

    Dakota Storm Well-Known Member

    You're almost definitely going to need some kind off licence.
  3. EQnoble

    EQnoble Well-Known Member

    Yes, you would need a FFL or have a friend who runs a gunshop to do what basically amounts to brokering the transaction.

    The purchasing side needs the broker to send a copy of their license to the purchasing party (background checks on you etc, just like if you were buying it from the store) and then they make the purchase and you acquire it from the gun dealer and is what the process amounts to.

    Basically to run a gun sales/trading site you need to be or be very close with a licensed gun dealer and have a lawyer to check your process (if you are doing anything other than providing meeting grounds for folks who will later meet up in person and handle the interstate sales process themselves or f2f sales in state). In a perfect world you would have a licensed gun dealer in each state participating in your site to network the inbound sales process.

    This is definitely an area you should stay well away from playing with until you secure a FFL and even then speak to a lawyer concerning your business model and location of you/your FFL holder. Gun laws vary wildly from state to state.
  4. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    Ain't that America.

    You'd be looking at jail time in Canada.
  5. whynot

    whynot Well-Known Member

    That would cost dearly, would be cheaper to buy a brand new gun from a dealer.
  6. EQnoble

    EQnoble Well-Known Member

    At the end of the day, you are not buying the gun online...you in essence still need to physically show at your local gun dealer and make the official transaction face to face.

    When I say check the process...I am talking about having a lawyer check out the process you set up on your website to foster the sales/classifieds etc to protect your own rear but at the end of the day to actually receive a gun from out of state you need to be a gun dealer and there still is no way to get around that so in reality the one time you hire a lawyer to make sure your site's process is legal is way cheaper than lets say paying someone in each state to receive firearms for each out of state purchase.
  7. DieselMinded

    DieselMinded Well-Known Member

    Facebook did it for years with no FFL and none of these other "social networks" have FFL either ,

    i think what we need to look at is the grey area that is ... "USER GENERATED CONTENT" allowing the transaction of firearms is as easy as stating that they "SHOULD" use proper FFL channels to complete the purchase , i personally have bought and sold 10+ firearms via Facebook gun groups that are now defunct.

    if someone posts something illegal on Facebook.... Facebook isn't liable for it under the term "USER GENERATED CONTENT" ??

    Here is the disclaimer on my site ... BECAUSE MY SITE RIDES A THIN LINE TO BEGIN WITH..

  8. DieselMinded

    DieselMinded Well-Known Member

    There is something to be said about this... there is some PDF documents that are discussing Illegal activity ... upon my harvesting of content i skipped over these items.... then later in my trials i seen them posted else where.

    So I'm like WTF if they can post this and its ok why can't I?

    instead for hosting the files locally i used scribd as a layer of protection... i have many many examples. The content is flat out Illegal to perform the instructions but the instructions them selves are not illegal ... how you like that!?
  9. n00bsaibot

    n00bsaibot Well-Known Member

    You're trying to match up a buyer/seller only, correct? It would be their responsibility to eventually meet up at an FFL. You're just posting an ad like Craigslist would. But I guess it would depend on your personal risk tolerance and legal team.
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  10. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    Call the NRA.
    They'd be a great source for helping you understand your right and obligations in this arena.
    Joeychgo and DieselMinded like this.
  11. DieselMinded

    DieselMinded Well-Known Member

    Im a national recruiter for the NRA and talk to them once a month , never thought to ask them
  12. wedgar

    wedgar Well-Known Member

    Are you taking money for the transaction and/or taking person of the firearm?

    If not, if doesn't make sense you would need an FFL. Check with an attorney in your local area who specializes in firearms laws.
  13. Joeychgo

    Joeychgo Well-Known Member

    Probably the best advice
  14. DieselMinded

    DieselMinded Well-Known Member

    I sent an email to my NRA contact about it ... the site Gun District has a little 4 lines of text that says they are not involved with the transactions but suggest you do legal transfers. i bet you thats all we have to do to allow this

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