Gun control

[Digital Doctor]

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gun control
- lots of googling.

 

[Digital Doctor]

You do realize that Nancy Lanza is dead, right?

Yes.
If she wasn't dead, the decision to prosecute wouldn't be controversial.
She seems like she was a caring mother. It is not her fault the shooting occurred. She was not the shooter. However, it looks like it could have been prevented by Nancy properly handling her Assault rifle. Charging her could reiterate to the American public the proper methods and legal requirements of Assault rifle and gun ownership.

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Just like the Court case thread,
Maybe we should lock this thread ...
and then re-opened when the next mass murder via assault rifle happens.
If it gets too tedious to keep opening it ... maybe just keep it open ?

 

[craigiri]

Yes.
If she wasn't dead, the decision to prosecute wouldn't be controversial.
She seems like she was a caring mother.?

I disagree. She is the single most person at fault, IMHO.
She failed in so many ways - lastly to keep HER property secured.

Before that, there could have been failures in the family - they have almost unlimited money, yet could not stay together or both work on getting their child classified and helped? Lots more involved....she might be sweet and caring, but when you have a special needs kid you have to work hard.

 

[Digital Doctor]

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Here's a unique clip.
Guns and Religion.
Pure religious propaganda.
Incredible.

 

[jasetaro]

That's amazing that you folks make that stuff up!

Whoever said all guns should be banned? It must be nice to set up and shadow box with fake opponents.

I would guess that it would have been tough to get all those kids with a six shooter. Someone would have tackled the dude.......he would have missed more too.

OK, cool, we are in total agreement. We need more regs. We need to get large capacity magazines and killer bullets out of the hands of those who have no reason to have them. We need better databases and background checks. We need responsible gun owners to fight FOR these things....IF they are responsible.

But since they have spent every waking moment for the last 20 years fighting against reasonable legislation, it's hard to imagine a few dozen more bodies will make a diff.

Killer bullets??? Whoa! Do you know anything at all about ballistics and/or firearms?

I don't care if it's .22 short, 5.56x45 NATO or .460 Weatherby they're all potential killers especially at close range. You want to ban 50 and 100 round drum magazines? Fine by me, but please don't spout silly crap about "killer bullets"... All bullets are potential killers, that's their purpose.

 

[Digital Doctor]

All bullets are potential killers, that's they're purpose.

We need to ban bullets then.

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[Digital Doctor]

Jessica, age 6.

 

[Kim]

Jessica, age 6.

Unless you are directly related to that little girl, I find it appalling that you would post her photo...

Worse is that you would seek to manipulate a very important debate by using a photo of a victim of this latest tragedy. I would remove that immediately if this was my forum.

 

[John]

This thread, like most here at XF, is full of trolls. /* goes back to doing better things than hanging out at XF */

 

[Digital Doctor]

Unless you are directly related to that little girl, I find it appalling that you would post her photo...

I find the lack of reasonable gun laws appalling.
I think she's a beautiful girl who's life was cut short. [more here]
I hope 2013 re-bans Assault weapons to prevent further tragedy.
I think bringing a face to the "esoteric" discussion of gun laws is important.

 

[BGL]

Shifting the focus on the gun lobbying is a distraction, pure and simple, from the real cause of the tragedy - a mentally ill person who chose to harm others by any means necessary.

No gun and the skinny kid is not killing anybody. Would not have even thought about it. But hey...Mom has lots of guns and ammo...I use them. Simple as that. No guns, no massacre.

US has to face the reality of needed gun control similar to other developed nations (UK, Germany, Canada) where these effective regulations result in gun deaths in the 100's vs. the 10's of 1,000's.[/quote]

 

[Reeve of Shinra]

I find the lack of reasonable gun laws appalling.

As pointed out to you numerous times, no one has said anything against reasonable gun laws. In fact, Connecticut gun laws among the nation’s strictest

US has to face the reality of needed gun control similar to other developed nations (UK, Germany, Canada) where these effective regulations result in gun deaths in the 100's vs. the 10's of 1,000's.

[/quote]

BGL,

1 - I posted a good neutral article some posts back about stricter gun laws in Australia after a similar tragedy and how it is inconclusive whether or not it has had a positive impact. (Australia always outlawed guns to my knowledge but I am not as familiar with their history).

2 - You make the fundamental mistake of assuming that death by guns has anything to do with accessibility to such guns. Yes, if you have a million pools vs 100 pools, the number of drownings would be significantly higher but to point that out as the sole reason without research into the other probable factors would be a disgrace to due diligence. In your example, there are plenty of socioeconomic factors and population related discrepancies that make such a bold comparison no better than a guess.

3 - The UK's control of arms is cited as one of the very reasons why the right to bear arms was added to the second amendment. It's an interesting read, highly recommended.

 

[EQnoble]

why does the amount of ammo in a clip matter?

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[Reeve of Shinra]

No gun and the skinny kid is not killing anybody.

I felt this deserves to be singled out in light of this article I just came across. The key points being
(1) existing laws prevented another tragedy
(2) if guns were not available, people sick in the head will find other ways to do harm. In this case, the kid was going to use a bomb too.

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/bartlesvill...udent-thwart-possible-school-shooting-bombing

 

[BGL]

I posted a good neutral article some posts back about stricter gun laws in Australia after a similar tragedy and how it is inconclusive whether or not it has had a positive impact.

Your example disproved your point as Australia has 200 gun deaths vs. US 30,000. Good example of sensible gun laws working to keep gun deaths and injury down.

 

[BGL]

(1) existing laws prevented another tragedy
(2) if guns were not available, people sick in the head will find other ways to do harm. In this case, the kid was going to use a bomb too.

This has been proven false in that other countries with good gun laws have gun deaths in the 100' vs. US in the 10,000.

Feel free to post "bomb death" stats and bomb laws but that would be irrelevant to the fact of out of control US gun deaths and injury which are proven to be due to lack of good gun regulation.

 

[Reeve of Shinra]

BGL --

The author of the document you said you read concluded that the stats were not definitive proof. You also need to keep in mind that their version of the CT tragedy happened while guns there were illegal.

 

[BGL]

The author of the document you said you read concluded that the stats were not definitive proof. You also need to keep in mind that their version of the CT tragedy happened while guns there were illegal.

Mrs. Lanza's guns were legal, excessive, dangerous to the community due to lack of sensible gun laws and the community paid a terrible price for that lack of good gun control.

 

[BGL]

Mrs. Lanza's guns were legal, excessive, dangerous to the community due to lack of sensible gun laws and the community paid a terrible price for that lack of good gun control.

It is a story repeated around America 30,000 times a year vs. Australia's 200 times a year.

 

[Sheldon]

It is a story repeated around America 30,000 times a year....

Seems as though that number is about right for this thread alone.