Gun control
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Sorry I forgot that we can just walk into Tesco's and pick one up
No. You cant get a gun in the UK unless:
1- You belong to an active gun club
2- You pass a set of strict requirements (including a house visit by a firearms officer, and personality references from multiple people)
3- Your local police are nformed, and have ok'd the issuing of a license.
4- Provide a suitable (verified and checked) gun cabinet with a lock, which must be secured to a solid brick wall
5- You must show good reason for possession of each and every firearm you own, and if it's believed that you no longer have good reason for owning a firearm, it will be taken off of you.
Even then, it's only allowed to be a shotgun or a .22 caliber rifle. You're not allowed to own a handgun, semi-automatic, etc and you are NEVER allowed to take it out in public.
Your license also expires every 5 years, and is £50 to apply for.
So no. No you cant get a gun. At least not one for self defence or any real use.
aquire one without much effort.... any city will do
no licence, no checks, no limit other than your wallet... like everything, if you want it & have teh money it is usually available
Vicki
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Poor people dying of hunger on the streets isn't a crisis, it is mainly because of poverty and inequality. If hundreds of those poor people started to attack people to get ham sandwiches, then it becomes a crisis.
When gunmen with assault weapons are able to enter movie theater or elementary school to randomly kill innocent adults and kids, it becomes a crisis because that society and government don't have good policies and gun laws to prevent such horrific tragedies.
Reeve of Shinra
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Despite the media hype, multiple homicides attributed to gun's are not that common.
It's not like I'm ducking for cover or anything as I walk through the street or picking the back tables at restaurants because I fear drive by's.
That said, one should always be vigilant of their surroundings. I'm more concerned about terrorists sneaking through the security holes at our airports than an idiot with a gun.
It's not like I'm ducking for cover or anything as I walk through the street or picking the back tables at restaurants because I fear drive by's.
That said, one should always be vigilant of their surroundings. I'm more concerned about terrorists sneaking through the security holes at our airports than an idiot with a gun.
BGL
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True...90% of the gun deaths and injuries are to the gun owner, his family and acquaintances. It's just that the mass shootings in schools (Newton), movies (Aurora) and malls (Clackamas) get more coverage.
And then sometimes it is a great idea that works like with guns as we see with all the other developed nations with common sense gun regulations and drastically reduced gun deaths and injury (UK 150 vs. US 30,000 for example)
Funny enough, now you mention it I actually have a (fairly) close connection to someone who did that.aquire one without much effort.... any city will do
A guy I went to primary school with years ago was sent to prison last year for owning a handgun. My mother is/was a friend of his mothers from years ago and tend to stay in contact every now and then.
The strange thing is, my only memory of this kid was his obsession with guns - at the time I was probably about 12 years old and thought nothing of it, but as soon as I heard about him going to prison it reminded me of what he was like. IMO he was slightly disturbed. I recall he was able to name different types of guns and such.
He's one of the reasons we dont have guns legally in this country. You cant let someone like that have a gun.
Oh and the reason he was caught with it....he pointed it at a 16 year old kid who refused to give him a cigarette.
Guns have no place in the UK and never will. We dont need them.
Cal
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Yes, Slavik, overwhelmingly. It is your right. Everything pathway in your life is made by choice. Where does the government get off restricting anything?
By the way...
Digital Doctor
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One thing America should know is in a Demilitarized America with less guns ... there will be alot less shootings and killings.
So what is there to talk about when there are no gun murders going on (and no hockey) ?
Big news in Canada lately is what to do with the Ikea Monkey.
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Everybody is pretty stressed about it.
You can't own your own monkey in Toronto (or Ontario) ... so Darwin the Ikea monkey is in an animal shelter.
Should mom be allowed visitation ? Should the monkey be allowed to wear his old coat ?
[More ikea monkey stuff]
Ikea Monkey on CNN.
I'm glad to have worries about the Ikea Monkey vs. Mass Gun Shootings.
IMO.
So what is there to talk about when there are no gun murders going on (and no hockey) ?
Big news in Canada lately is what to do with the Ikea Monkey.
Everybody is pretty stressed about it.
You can't own your own monkey in Toronto (or Ontario) ... so Darwin the Ikea monkey is in an animal shelter.
Should mom be allowed visitation ? Should the monkey be allowed to wear his old coat ?
[More ikea monkey stuff]
Ikea Monkey on CNN.
I'm glad to have worries about the Ikea Monkey vs. Mass Gun Shootings.
IMO.
EQnoble
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Yes it does...all this hype made some kid in Bristol Connecticut type a threat to a school online over there...he more than likely had no intention even close to resembling what he said but thought it would be funny and cool and might just be slightly deranged.
http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/arrest-made-in-bristol-school-threat#.UNOY7XdzmUk
BGL
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It is what the founders created our government to do since it is one of the many things all governments are designed to do. There are limits on everything. Something adults have learned. Something children question.
In the case of guns as with yelling fire in crowded theater, when it endangers public safety and certainly the 250,000 killed or wounded by guns every year is a clear and present danger to all citizens and something they have asked their government to deal with.
Fortunately we have many successful models of gun control that have worked in other developed liberal Western democracies.
Cal
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The founders set the second amendment to be what it is and you liberals can go whine about it elsewhere as far as I'm concerned. As far as the founders go...they would be squarely against our rights being squashed by the government. Only children go along with the system like obedient little Sheep BGL - is that you? If you are implying I am a child, then I contest you are a child. Only a child listens obediently to mommy and daddy....the rest of adults tend to think for ourselves. I know, I know, thinking for yourself is not a distinctly liberal trait or even a strong point, but I have faith you all will get there.
Name one liberal western democracy that has worked...in fact name one that's entirely liberal...because I don't think any socialist or communist nations exist in the UK. If you mean Democracy...then no liberal would not be the term to use at all, but half of the equation possibly. I'll allow you to elaborate. You seem to misunderstand our founders....maybe you've misunderstood democracy as well. Waiting...
BGL
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But they won't be getting their hands on Mom's arsenal and won't be killing anyone...which is why you see the very low gun death/injury rates in the other developed liberal Western democracies.
More what the founders wrote vs. what NRA gun lobby imagines. All about bearing arms in a well regulated militia. Nothing about home arsenals that result in huge gun deaths in US.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Brent W
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Jesus how many times can you use the word Liberal in a post? I'm pretty sure our founders didn't want people going around putting portions of our population in groups and then using a word such as Liberal as a derogatory term to them. In fact, George Washington specifically stated he didn't want any parties because it would breed the type of ignorance you are portraying right now.
Cal
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Many more times. I'm fairly pissed the liberals started this topic by exploiting the tragedy. Liberal, is going to be derogatory, as long as they keep up the vile acts they have been doing. They are what they have made themselves to be, and if they didn't want that perception, they should have planned their actions differently. Ignorance eh.....like a personal attack? Yeah....so you've lost eh? The personal attack is usually the mark of when a non-debater runs out of defense for their side.
Look, I'm done as soon as people are immature enough to start personal attacks. It means said people are not worth my time. Others can entertain you.
Digital Doctor
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I was talking about this with an interesting chap and he brought up an important point.
The 2nd amendment was well before any reasonable rules of law. It was a lawless time. At the time, liberties were protected with guns, now they are protected with laws. Anyone who quotes the second amendment as a reason why they should be allowed to equip themselves with people killing machine guns is deliberately misunderstanding history to justify their actions. Gun culture in America, like so many other American cultural quirks, has deadly consequences. By any measure of reasonableness, America's relationship with guns is unreasonable.
Cal
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Yes, your personal attack was, and honestly, I've reported every single one. We don't need such immaturity here.
BGL up there...is a very good debater. You don't see him doing that now do you?
Calm down.
Digital Doctor
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This is a tough topic.
It's easy to upset.
Call ideas stupid, not people.
It's easy to upset.
Call ideas stupid, not people.
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