Carlos
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T'was in 2010...the same company announced that we'll see https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php/361372-What-s-To-Come-For-vBulletin-Part-II and then they said we'll not see it
so who cares?
Dev community - vB vs. Xenforo
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DRE
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Lmaoooo @ the disaster that was vb 4.1.4. it destroyed a lotta sites including my own. took me several weeks to recover.Amen.
IPB is a resource hog; page loads sucks - Everything from the front end, to the ACP side - I couldn't bear staying in an IPB site. I was offered an admin role by a legacy reborn to take his xbox site to the next level. Once I was made admin, I took a gander and tinkered around with IPB. To my horror, I checked out the ACP to find out just how fast or how powerful it is... I sat there for minutes just to load a ACP page. Really? Here I was thinking vB4 was slow... Now IPB, too? It almost made me cry just seeing it load.
It just reminded me of vB4.j
You don't have to say any more. I think half of the people that posted on this thread has seen how horrendous vB4 was. I was a vB3/vB4 customer until 4.1.4 broke my entire site into shambles. I wasted almost around $200 dollars on this, and the worst part is, when I upgraded vB3 into vB4 - It killed my most expensive, my most visited website. In a few months, I transferred to xenForo and am the happy with it. Google pushed my site up on top and above the others.
The best part is? No redirection required! Hah!
You should've cared that IB owns vBulletin. They will charge you again, and not in a good way. vB5 is just around the corner, and when you upgrade, it will come with a price.
Digital Doctor
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What was the problem ?
I never upgraded past 4.0.1 !
DRE
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It broke a lot of modifications and had lots of bugs. I almost gave up. If any of you had to go through that and made it through I commend you.
Digital Doctor
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Sounds like every other release !
I guess you mean the scale of the problems.
Any mods in particular ? Like a popular one ?
DRE
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It was large scale. People were even complaining about it on theadminzone.com
Carlos
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In my case, my vB3 instance that ran CODForums had a lot of hacks. Half of them are little-known hacks, and the other half are very well known, popular ones.
Even StopForumSpam broke on upgrade to 4.1.4 and beyond. How embarrassing.
So, I disabled half of the hacks to see if that works...Nope. Didn't... So, I went to the vB support forums and my story goes like this:
Okay, so vBulletin 4 has been working for quite a while until the latest update, in which I applied the 4.1.4 update... Then all of a sudden, the instance got real buggy fast. So, at that time, I was frustrated, I didn't need it at that point. I was at vBulletin forums trying to find solutions. Meanwhile, I was speaking to one of the "Staff" that recently got hired, but before he has berated me - and he still did it during his tenure as Staff. Someone else defended him and tried to tarnish my name, and my reputation. I then got into a heated battle with him, then Steve got into it and warned me immediately without paying attention to the previous posts.
I went over this with Steve because he's been warning me over small things, such as being warned for a post in which I got into heated battle with other members - T'was an old post. 4 months old. I fought with the higher-ups above Steve, but they were on his side. So when this new warning came on, I decided to fight against Steve, directly. He warned me again, this time, he quickly banned me. I sent a support ticket, lo and behold; the senior operations manager was on his side.
I was given an opportunity to be refunded - I was surprised, and I was skeptical about it, so I was sarcastic about it.Few days later, Voila!
I used it to pay for some xenforo licenses, and so CODForums moved to xenForo!
steven s
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That was then and this is now.
And since the topic is vB vs Xenforo, I can honestly say I had a minor problem and was helped via ticket almost immediately. We went back and forth exploring the problem and it was my settings.
It took all of an hour to resolve.
As far as the RM vs vb.org.
Nothing really interests me here. Not yet anyway.
DRE
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Yeah back then vb updates screwed up my site and now no xf updates screw up my site (mainly cause there are none).
steven s
Well-known member
I agree. For a long time vB4 was 1 step forward and 2 steps back.Yeah back then vb updates screwed up my site and now no xf updates screw up my site (mainly cause there are none).
Nothing to screw up here if there's nothing to update. I guess that's one way of looking at it.
Mr.Rick
Active member
I haven't decided as of yet about Xen, but it doesn't mean I have bought anymore licenses for vB either.
Downside to the vBulletin.org community is that there are a few scammers lurking. I created this site in '07 http://www.cueblip-scammedme.com/ about one guy who is running rampant on vBorg hosing people for cash.
Its nice to want to mode and upgrade but at what cost. Xenforo runs really nice on the communities I have visited so far.
Downside to the vBulletin.org community is that there are a few scammers lurking. I created this site in '07 http://www.cueblip-scammedme.com/ about one guy who is running rampant on vBorg hosing people for cash.
Its nice to want to mode and upgrade but at what cost. Xenforo runs really nice on the communities I have visited so far.
Morgain
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I have worked with VB IPB and XF.
I don't know the tech side of SEO and lighter faster loading but XF seems much better. Plus I see a lot more heavyweight admins than me analysing XF as better in those terms. Where I don't know I'm willing to take advice from those I can see do know.
On adapting the core to my needs there's no comparison. XF is way better than the others. I'd plod through hours of effort on some pesky detail on VB or IPB where I'd often work it out quite quickly on XF. When I couldn't the support here was always excellent.
On everyday admin XF is way better too. I can simply GET AT everything so much easier. It's logically organised which helps a lot. A few places I'd do it differently but that's no big deal.
On the other two I had to do loads of template edits to get the admin decent to work with. Never really was.
On XF I added Jake's Nodes as Tabs. With that I could pretty easily make myself an admin only tab with a dropdown containing all my frequent use admin targets. That's a massive help.
Really on an everyday practical basis there's no contest. Ive also installed XF for others and had no complaints from them as they use it.
I don't know the tech side of SEO and lighter faster loading but XF seems much better. Plus I see a lot more heavyweight admins than me analysing XF as better in those terms. Where I don't know I'm willing to take advice from those I can see do know.
On adapting the core to my needs there's no comparison. XF is way better than the others. I'd plod through hours of effort on some pesky detail on VB or IPB where I'd often work it out quite quickly on XF. When I couldn't the support here was always excellent.
On everyday admin XF is way better too. I can simply GET AT everything so much easier. It's logically organised which helps a lot. A few places I'd do it differently but that's no big deal.
On the other two I had to do loads of template edits to get the admin decent to work with. Never really was.
On XF I added Jake's Nodes as Tabs. With that I could pretty easily make myself an admin only tab with a dropdown containing all my frequent use admin targets. That's a massive help.
Really on an everyday practical basis there's no contest. Ive also installed XF for others and had no complaints from them as they use it.
Mr.Rick
Active member
Yea, I had a run in with a scammer who had a very posh looking Vbulletin theme site
Sadly, the mods removed any mention of my warnings from both forums (org and com) and as such, others were scammed as a result.
It's sad really, but such is life I guess
Yea, that is the problem with sites like vBorg. Ive been getting further irritated with my attempts to hire someone out of that place, I need to practice what I preach and move on.
I just recently wrote an article about 10 things to consider when hiring a developer. Of course my experience is with WordPress and vBulletin but I am sure some of the principles could be applied to anywhere. Not all devs are bad, just most of the ones I have come across are and in turn inspired me to write this article. Article is here - 10 things to consider when hiring a developer.
